Ederson was great from the get go walker massively improved us in his first season. Laporte came in and slotted in straight away and i remember jesus doing very well when he first turned up pre injury.
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10 | Jack Grealish - 2021/22 Performances
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Isn't better LW than Foden, and isn't better LCM than any of the CMs we have.
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No it's not, Mahrez was completely used to the league and so was Stones. There is a HUGE jump from literally any other team in the world to come and play under Pep, it's something that Cancelo couldn't get his head around and he's openly admitted it. The same goes for Mahrez, he is being asked to do so much more than he was expected to do and the pattern continues with Grealish. It was easier for Ruben because first and foremost he just needed to use his defensive & leadership skills and they are his best attributes. Grealish has slowly started to pick up, but it's going to take time for nearly anyone that joins the club, we just have to accept that.that’s because the signings we have made have been overseas players who need to get used to the pace and aggression of the premier league. Jack on the other hand…..
"Grealish has slowly started to pick up, but it's going to take time for nearly anyone that joins the club, we just have to accept that."No it's not, Mahrez was completely used to the league and so was Stones. There is a HUGE jump from literally any other team in the world to come and play under Pep, it's something that Cancelo couldn't get his head around and he's openly admitted it. The same goes for Mahrez, he is being asked to do so much more than he was expected to do and the pattern continues with Grealish. It was easier for Ruben because first and foremost he just needed to use his defensive & leadership skills and they are his best attributes. Grealish has slowly started to pick up, but it's going to take time for nearly anyone that joins the club, we just have to accept that.
I would disagree with that, I though he started very well, looked at home in this team and that takes some doing but as the season has progressed , he has gone backwards, that's the worry.
He had a superb game against the rags, looked aggressive and classy, I though that was the moment he kicked on, it sadly was the opposite.
kaz7
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Not trolling , just pointing out a factSometimes you post pathetic troll nonsense. Have you tried Twitter.
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Fully agreed, and I think Grealish has slotted in to large extent, in much the same way. He hasn’t set the league on fire but I feel he’s earned his place. Others won’t and that’s fine.Ederson was great from the get go walker massively improved us in his first season. Laporte came in and slotted in straight away and i remember jesus doing very well when he first turned up pre injury.
You’d think he was constantly losing possession and hindering our play the way some make out though. On the contrary I see him generally helping our buildup, and ball retention. Granted his “end product” isn’t where some expect it to be for a £100m player, and I’d be concerned if we get to this stage of next season and he’s not shown an uptick in production.
It is hard not to expect wonders from a record signing. The problem comes if he doesn’t start living up to his wages, not so much the transfer fee.
All our signings under Pep:
So that's Sane, Stones, Bernardo, Mahrez, Rodri, Cancelo, and now Ake who came in, didn't really look all that, and then suddenly improved in their second season (or after a while).
And I'd say Grealish's overall performances have been better than Rodri, Cancelo, Mahrez and Bernardo's were in each of their first seasons, so there's evidence that he'll get even better.
As always with City and any new signing we make, they get about 18 months to show that they can be of value to the team. If not, they get loaned out or sold. Grealish will either improve or leave. What's the biggie?
16-17
Gundogan - started well, then got badly injured, came back and was a good squad player for a couple of years, was scapegoated by fans for a while, had a great purple patch during 20/21, has been alright since
Nolito - started well and scored a few, moaned about the weather, got sent off twice, never saw him again
Zinchenko - went out on loan twice, was drafted in as an emergency left-back, was nearly sold twice, has since become a valuable squad player
Sané - took about 6 months to get going, was then absolutely electric for 18 months, started getting dropped in January 2019, was badly injured, hasn't ever really hit his potential at Bayern
Stones - took a full season to look any good, was then dynamite for 6 months, had injury problems on and off for two years, now the best CB at the club in terms of ability and composure but can't stay fit for more than 10 games
Bravo - total crap as a #1, decent back-up as a #2, always a second away from committing a howler
Jesus - hit the ground running but dropped off a bit and hasn't ever been consistently been world class, has since become a valuable squad player that reactionary idiots on here seem to hate for some reason
17/18
Bernardo - took a season to get going, was our best player during 18/19, dropped off a bit again in 19/20, was great during 20/21 and has been excellent again this season
Ederson - one of the most important signings of the Pep era, his faults are more than compensated for by his big positives
Walker - the most important signing of the Pep era, when people were slagging him off during that really brief rough period he had in the 18/19 season I was absolutely baffled, still our most important player defensively
Danilo - was a decent squad player for his time, left a bit early in my opinion and hasn't been properly replaced
Mendy - the less said the better
Laporte - was arguably the best CB in the PL for 18 months, then that injury to his knee happened, he's been pretty good since but never the same as he once was
18/19
Mahrez - took a bit of time to bed himself in and has never been a huge fan favourite, but has become a great goalscorer in the last 18 months during a period when we've really needed one due to our false #9 system
19/20
Angelino - was an okay squad player and then left
Rodri - had a really dodgy first season that made me wonder why on earth we'd signed him, has since adapted and has been one of the first names on the teamsheet
Steffen - decent back-up keeper, just don't play him at Wembley
Cancelo - signed as a right-back and didn't look great at all in his first 18 months, but has gradually become one of the best left-backs in the PL, I hope we never play him on the right of defence ever again
20/21
Torres - came in and looked pretty good if a little inconsistent, had some room left to grow, broke his foot and left for Barcelona
Ake - was almost always injured and looked like he was massively out of his depth whenever he played, has been really good for about 6 months now though
Dias - really important signing, probably the only instant hit we've had under Pep, understood the assignment from minute one and is a rock for us
Gundogan - started well, then got badly injured, came back and was a good squad player for a couple of years, was scapegoated by fans for a while, had a great purple patch during 20/21, has been alright since
Nolito - started well and scored a few, moaned about the weather, got sent off twice, never saw him again
Zinchenko - went out on loan twice, was drafted in as an emergency left-back, was nearly sold twice, has since become a valuable squad player
Sané - took about 6 months to get going, was then absolutely electric for 18 months, started getting dropped in January 2019, was badly injured, hasn't ever really hit his potential at Bayern
Stones - took a full season to look any good, was then dynamite for 6 months, had injury problems on and off for two years, now the best CB at the club in terms of ability and composure but can't stay fit for more than 10 games
Bravo - total crap as a #1, decent back-up as a #2, always a second away from committing a howler
Jesus - hit the ground running but dropped off a bit and hasn't ever been consistently been world class, has since become a valuable squad player that reactionary idiots on here seem to hate for some reason
17/18
Bernardo - took a season to get going, was our best player during 18/19, dropped off a bit again in 19/20, was great during 20/21 and has been excellent again this season
Ederson - one of the most important signings of the Pep era, his faults are more than compensated for by his big positives
Walker - the most important signing of the Pep era, when people were slagging him off during that really brief rough period he had in the 18/19 season I was absolutely baffled, still our most important player defensively
Danilo - was a decent squad player for his time, left a bit early in my opinion and hasn't been properly replaced
Mendy - the less said the better
Laporte - was arguably the best CB in the PL for 18 months, then that injury to his knee happened, he's been pretty good since but never the same as he once was
18/19
Mahrez - took a bit of time to bed himself in and has never been a huge fan favourite, but has become a great goalscorer in the last 18 months during a period when we've really needed one due to our false #9 system
19/20
Angelino - was an okay squad player and then left
Rodri - had a really dodgy first season that made me wonder why on earth we'd signed him, has since adapted and has been one of the first names on the teamsheet
Steffen - decent back-up keeper, just don't play him at Wembley
Cancelo - signed as a right-back and didn't look great at all in his first 18 months, but has gradually become one of the best left-backs in the PL, I hope we never play him on the right of defence ever again
20/21
Torres - came in and looked pretty good if a little inconsistent, had some room left to grow, broke his foot and left for Barcelona
Ake - was almost always injured and looked like he was massively out of his depth whenever he played, has been really good for about 6 months now though
Dias - really important signing, probably the only instant hit we've had under Pep, understood the assignment from minute one and is a rock for us
So that's Sane, Stones, Bernardo, Mahrez, Rodri, Cancelo, and now Ake who came in, didn't really look all that, and then suddenly improved in their second season (or after a while).
And I'd say Grealish's overall performances have been better than Rodri, Cancelo, Mahrez and Bernardo's were in each of their first seasons, so there's evidence that he'll get even better.
As always with City and any new signing we make, they get about 18 months to show that they can be of value to the team. If not, they get loaned out or sold. Grealish will either improve or leave. What's the biggie?
All our signings under Pep:
16-17
Gundogan - started well, then got badly injured, came back and was a good squad player for a couple of years, was scapegoated by fans for a while, had a great purple patch during 20/21, has been alright since
Nolito - started well and scored a few, moaned about the weather, got sent off twice, never saw him again
Zinchenko - went out on loan twice, was drafted in as an emergency left-back, was nearly sold twice, has since become a valuable squad player
Sané - took about 6 months to get going, was then absolutely electric for 18 months, started getting dropped in January 2019, was badly injured, hasn't ever really hit his potential at Bayern
Stones - took a full season to look any good, was then dynamite for 6 months, had injury problems on and off for two years, now the best CB at the club in terms of ability and composure but can't stay fit for more than 10 games
Bravo - total crap as a #1, decent back-up as a #2, always a second away from committing a howler
Jesus - hit the ground running but dropped off a bit and hasn't ever been consistently been world class, has since become a valuable squad player that reactionary idiots on here seem to hate for some reason
17/18
Bernardo - took a season to get going, was our best player during 18/19, dropped off a bit again in 19/20, was great during 20/21 and has been excellent again this season
Ederson - one of the most important signings of the Pep era, his faults are more than compensated for by his big positives
Walker - the most important signing of the Pep era, when people were slagging him off during that really brief rough period he had in the 18/19 season I was absolutely baffled, still our most important player defensively
Danilo - was a decent squad player for his time, left a bit early in my opinion and hasn't been properly replaced
Mendy - the less said the better
Laporte - was arguably the best CB in the PL for 18 months, then that injury to his knee happened, he's been pretty good since but never the same as he once was
18/19
Mahrez - took a bit of time to bed himself in and has never been a huge fan favourite, but has become a great goalscorer in the last 18 months during a period when we've really needed one due to our false #9 system
19/20
Angelino - was an okay squad player and then left
Rodri - had a really dodgy first season that made me wonder why on earth we'd signed him, has since adapted and has been one of the first names on the teamsheet
Steffen - decent back-up keeper, just don't play him at Wembley
Cancelo - signed as a right-back and didn't look great at all in his first 18 months, but has gradually become one of the best left-backs in the PL, I hope we never play him on the right of defence ever again
20/21
Torres - came in and looked pretty good if a little inconsistent, had some room left to grow, broke his foot and left for Barcelona
Ake - was almost always injured and looked like he was massively out of his depth whenever he played, has been really good for about 6 months now though
Dias - really important signing, probably the only instant hit we've had under Pep, understood the assignment from minute one and is a rock for us
So that's Sane, Stones, Bernardo, Mahrez, Rodri, Cancelo, and now Ake who came in, didn't really look all that, and then suddenly improved in their second season (or after a while).
And I'd say Grealish's overall performances have been better than Rodri, Cancelo, Mahrez and Bernardo's were in each of their first seasons, so there's evidence that he'll get even better.
As always with City and any new signing we make, they get about 18 months to show that they can be of value to the team. If not, they get loaned out or sold. Grealish will either improve or leave. What's the biggie?
Have you anything to back that up? Because Mahrez’s & Bernardo’s G&A output dwarfed that of Grealish. You know that in his first season Mahrez got 24 goals and assists? But also the more telling thing, both he a Bernardo had some real game changing/winning moments. To date, Grealish hasn’t.
All our signings under Pep:
16-17
Gundogan - started well, then got badly injured, came back and was a good squad player for a couple of years, was scapegoated by fans for a while, had a great purple patch during 20/21, has been alright since
Nolito - started well and scored a few, moaned about the weather, got sent off twice, never saw him again
Zinchenko - went out on loan twice, was drafted in as an emergency left-back, was nearly sold twice, has since become a valuable squad player
Sané - took about 6 months to get going, was then absolutely electric for 18 months, started getting dropped in January 2019, was badly injured, hasn't ever really hit his potential at Bayern
Stones - took a full season to look any good, was then dynamite for 6 months, had injury problems on and off for two years, now the best CB at the club in terms of ability and composure but can't stay fit for more than 10 games
Bravo - total crap as a #1, decent back-up as a #2, always a second away from committing a howler
Jesus - hit the ground running but dropped off a bit and hasn't ever been consistently been world class, has since become a valuable squad player that reactionary idiots on here seem to hate for some reason
17/18
Bernardo - took a season to get going, was our best player during 18/19, dropped off a bit again in 19/20, was great during 20/21 and has been excellent again this season
Ederson - one of the most important signings of the Pep era, his faults are more than compensated for by his big positives
Walker - the most important signing of the Pep era, when people were slagging him off during that really brief rough period he had in the 18/19 season I was absolutely baffled, still our most important player defensively
Danilo - was a decent squad player for his time, left a bit early in my opinion and hasn't been properly replaced
Mendy - the less said the better
Laporte - was arguably the best CB in the PL for 18 months, then that injury to his knee happened, he's been pretty good since but never the same as he once was
18/19
Mahrez - took a bit of time to bed himself in and has never been a huge fan favourite, but has become a great goalscorer in the last 18 months during a period when we've really needed one due to our false #9 system
19/20
Angelino - was an okay squad player and then left
Rodri - had a really dodgy first season that made me wonder why on earth we'd signed him, has since adapted and has been one of the first names on the teamsheet
Steffen - decent back-up keeper, just don't play him at Wembley
Cancelo - signed as a right-back and didn't look great at all in his first 18 months, but has gradually become one of the best left-backs in the PL, I hope we never play him on the right of defence ever again
20/21
Torres - came in and looked pretty good if a little inconsistent, had some room left to grow, broke his foot and left for Barcelona
Ake - was almost always injured and looked like he was massively out of his depth whenever he played, has been really good for about 6 months now though
Dias - really important signing, probably the only instant hit we've had under Pep, understood the assignment from minute one and is a rock for us
So that's Sane, Stones, Bernardo, Mahrez, Rodri, Cancelo, and now Ake who came in, didn't really look all that, and then suddenly improved in their second season (or after a while).
And I'd say Grealish's overall performances have been better than Rodri, Cancelo, Mahrez and Bernardo's were in each of their first seasons, so there's evidence that he'll get even better.
As always with City and any new signing we make, they get about 18 months to show that they can be of value to the team. If not, they get loaned out or sold. Grealish will either improve or leave. What's the biggie?
It is interesting that it is taken for granted that our signings need a very long time to show their worth. Could it not be interpreted a different way? That is, the coach needed a very long time to turn them into the players that we thought we'd bought? If Grealish is great next season, it is not that Grealish took time to show his worth, but that Pep needed time to make him look good. Thanks to Pep, Grealish will be a better player next season, which is why he'll look better. Basically, we've overpaid for the vast majority of our transfers.
A 1000-likes to you. I completely agree with you, if this bang average player called Grealish becomes any better it would have been all thanks to Pep. I don't care what anyone says, Grealish isn't world class, his more Championship level class!If Grealish is great next season, it is not that Grealish took time to show his worth, but that Pep needed time to make him look good. Thanks to Pep, Grealish will be a better player next season, which is why he'll look better.
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Well if we get Haarland, he’d better not take 12 months to get used to it, we need his goals from day 1It is interesting that it is taken for granted that our signings need a very long time to show their worth. Could it not be interpreted a different way? That is, the coach needed a very long time to turn them into the players that we thought we'd bought? If Grealish is great next season, it is not that Grealish took time to show his worth, but that Pep needed time to make him look good. Thanks to Pep, Grealish will be a better player next season, which is why he'll look better. Basically, we've overpaid for the vast majority of our transfers.
I watched that semi-final against Madrid. Small comfort, I'm sure, but I thought you were unlucky to lose it. On the balance of both legs you were the better team, but once they scored their first goal in the second leg, they had all the momentum and the belief.
When Jack came on in that match, I saw glimpses of what he'd been for Villa, and I know I'm biased but I thought he looked loads better for it. Every time I've seen anything of him playing this season, he's seemed meek and scared and careful, which really isn't the Jack I know.
Especially, it was the first match I've seen him in for you guys where he didn't look slow. He's always had kind of average (for a professional footballer!) pace in a straight line without the ball, but his pace with the ball, the speed of his acceleration and deceleration and changes of direction, combined with his strength, always meant that his middling pure speed didn't really matter.
But he's been looking hesitant and uncertain this year for City. So seeing him come on, get the ball and run at a defence the other night felt like a little nod to the player he's been in the past.
I hope he does more of that, but I'm not sure if it was instructions or confidence that had him playing the other way.
When Jack came on in that match, I saw glimpses of what he'd been for Villa, and I know I'm biased but I thought he looked loads better for it. Every time I've seen anything of him playing this season, he's seemed meek and scared and careful, which really isn't the Jack I know.
Especially, it was the first match I've seen him in for you guys where he didn't look slow. He's always had kind of average (for a professional footballer!) pace in a straight line without the ball, but his pace with the ball, the speed of his acceleration and deceleration and changes of direction, combined with his strength, always meant that his middling pure speed didn't really matter.
But he's been looking hesitant and uncertain this year for City. So seeing him come on, get the ball and run at a defence the other night felt like a little nod to the player he's been in the past.
I hope he does more of that, but I'm not sure if it was instructions or confidence that had him playing the other way.
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We need to be honest with ourselves and drop this fallacy! Mahrez and Bernardo were very good in their first season here, you don't have to lie and discredit certain players just so you can build up some undeserved hype around another player.So that's Sane, Stones, Bernardo, Mahrez, Rodri, Cancelo, and now Ake who came in, didn't really look all that, and then suddenly improved in their second season (or after a while).
And I'd say Grealish's overall performances have been better than Rodri, Cancelo, Mahrez and Bernardo's were in each of their first seasons, so there's evidence that he'll get even better.
As always with City and any new signing we make, they get about 18 months to show that they can be of value to the team. If not, they get loaned out or sold. Grealish will either improve or leave. What's the biggie?
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What a tedious, boring thread.
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Regardless of his performances on the pitch, he’s clearly a nice guy off it. Still think a lot of people will eat their words next season too.
Seems like such a decent bloke. He will have all summer to knuckle down and be ready to kick on for next season. Needs to up his game as he’ll want to be in that World Cup squad.
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I think we’ve looked a lot better as a team when he’s been on the pitch recently than not tbh, including the Madrid game. I get it to an extent over the course of the season but there’s a fair bit of scapegoating going on too.
Bear with me on this, but Grealish and Sterling are kind of in the same boat for me. I see the arguments for both sides - supporter and detractors - but think both players are overall treated unfairly. It's so difficult to have a balanced conversation about either. Seemlingly they're either total dogshit or footballing deities depending on who you talk to.
They're wildly different players, but are both clearly hated by a strangely large portion of opposition, neutral, and home fans alike. Weirdly enough often for supposed off the pitch behavior and body language that I'm just not picking up on.
There are legitimate criticisms of both. Grealish has been inconsistent, and the end product does need to improve. He really should have more goal contributions. Sterling is also inconsistent and the finishing and decision making in the final third is just maddening.
But they both bring obvious quality that also gets glossed over. Sterling's pace, movement, and goal record speak for themselves. Ditto for Jack's ball retention, technique, and ability to win free kicks and get under the opponents skin.
Love them both, and since this is the Grealish thread I'll just say I think Jack is going to take a big step next season, as so many players do in their second year under Pep.
They're wildly different players, but are both clearly hated by a strangely large portion of opposition, neutral, and home fans alike. Weirdly enough often for supposed off the pitch behavior and body language that I'm just not picking up on.
There are legitimate criticisms of both. Grealish has been inconsistent, and the end product does need to improve. He really should have more goal contributions. Sterling is also inconsistent and the finishing and decision making in the final third is just maddening.
But they both bring obvious quality that also gets glossed over. Sterling's pace, movement, and goal record speak for themselves. Ditto for Jack's ball retention, technique, and ability to win free kicks and get under the opponents skin.
Love them both, and since this is the Grealish thread I'll just say I think Jack is going to take a big step next season, as so many players do in their second year under Pep.
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