UEFA Independent Inquiry

cheekybids said:
How are the number of fakes exaggerated. The ground was full, the aisles were full & there was still thousands outside.

the celebrity Liverpool fans & family couldn’t get in cos there QR codes had been used. Why do you really believe the major issue was local youths rather than a small contributor after the major issue.
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Someone from the club will have passed these codes on, no doubt about it, and they should be easy enough to find.

Probably get a promotion though.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
But journalists are experts on all sorts of subjects. I mean, look how they accurately and presciently reported our FFP case.
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A lot of articles out there in the press are lifted from posts and interactions on social media. The likes of the Daily Mail love to pad their news content with cut and shut social media posts that are fluffed up with a few paragraphs to turn it into an article.

Leading up to this final there were plenty of people on Twitter offering forged tickets for sale. It was going on before the FA cup semi final with a well publicised Telegram group of Liverpool supporters bragging about rushing the City end, this was slanted in a way to highlight our so called lack of fans and not the criminal element that will take money off Liverpool fans to leave them in danger outside the Stade De France on Saturday night.

The question is, we could all see those fakes being advertised on Twitter with very little effort. Why can’t a journalist who’s job it is to investigate the facts and report them find these fake tickets that were advertised?
 
John John said:
It seems that there must have been fake tickets there but the numbers are vastly exaggerated. The guy from Sky who was outside the whole game called the French liars which is not something that they would normally be alloewd to say. Listen we all have our idiots and when you are successful you get a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon but in this instancethe accusations seem to be well wide of the mark Thanks for not rubbishing my comment and calling me any one of the well worn phrase we see here . I saw my first game in 1960 so not a Johnnny come lately to Liverpool as a supporter and in a few years your clubb will pick up a load of glory hunters as well
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So you finally admit that fakes might have been an issue? Very accommodating, given all the evidence on social media to that effect.

And if you're relying on that Sky Kaveh guy as your unimpeachable source, you might be disappointed as his maths isn't too good. Can't tell the difference between £80m & £40m.
 
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Fuzzy80 said:
I know currently being discussed in both Liverpool and UEFA Champions League final but probably deserves it’s own so that the game and other Liverpool subjects can be discussed.

I think we all know the French are claiming huge amounts of Liverpool fans turned up without tickets.

Liverpool/ British media are claiming this is not the case and they behaved impeccably and a lot of the videos are French youths and not Liverpool fans.

So UEFA have commissioned an independent enquiry by Portuguese MP Dr Tiago Brandao Rodrigues to compile a report on decision making, responsibility and behaviour of all parties.

Hopefully this report will shed light on the issues that caused this as there is no doubt that some innocent fans (including kids and elderly where poorly treated) and it would be good to know the reasons why and hopefully lessons can be learned.
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No lessons to be learned here, we all could have told the French what utter cunts the dippers are..!! They need another ban hammer, utter scumbags … !3DBB4232-ADEA-49E2-B857-B571187FD8E5.jpeg
 
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Instead of wasting tax payers money on an investigation. Just give the money straight to the ferrel scum of fans that's what they want. Compo .
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
A lot of articles out there in the press are lifted from posts and interactions on social media. The likes of the Daily Mail love to pad their news content with cut and shut social media posts that are fluffed up with a few paragraphs to turn it into an article.

Leading up to this final there were plenty of people on Twitter offering forged tickets for sale. It was going on before the FA cup semi final with a well publicised Telegram group of Liverpool supporters bragging about rushing the City end, this was slanted in a way to highlight our so called lack of fans and not the criminal element that will take money off Liverpool fans to leave them in danger outside the Stade De France on Saturday night.

The question is, we could all see those fakes being advertised on Twitter with very little effort. Why can’t a journalist who’s job it is to investigate the facts and report them find these fake tickets that were advertised?
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You've made a basic error there in that last paragraph. Journalists, particularly football journalists, don't "investigate the facts".

They need to get as many clicks on their articles as possible (as that's what they're judged on) meaning facts go out of the window if they don't help them meet that objective.
 
They’ll get away with it. Get what they constantly want. An apology. And will swan around like the arrogant pricks they are and probably demand a minutes silence at every champs league final they ever get to!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
So you finally admit that fakes might have been an issue? Very accommodatin, given all the evidence on social media to that effect.

And if you're relying on that Sky Kaveh guy as your unimpeachable source, you might be disappointed as his maths isn't too good. Can't tell the difference between £80m & £40m.
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Some say he can’t tell the difference between his arse and his elbow tbf.
 
The next stage of this will be: OK, yes, there were loads of fake tickets. Those poor Liverpool fans just didn’t know and paid thousands for them! They’re victims of fraud and police brutality.

I wonder if any of the dippers with real tickets will ever stop to think how much easier their lives would’ve been if it wasn’t for their numb nut fellow supporters trying to get in knowing their ticket was fake. In most groups of people there’d be a degree of self policing, “don’t do that mate, that’s dodgy as fuck”. Amongst the dippers the opposite seems to happen. A result, I suppose, of their proud anarchist streak that has resulted in their city going from amongst the richest in the world to its present condition. I doubt they’ll ever learn, they haven’t when these incidents have happened before.
 
Chris B said:
The next stage of this will be: OK, yes, there were loads of fake tickets. Those poor Liverpool fans just didn’t know and paid thousands for them! They’re victims of fraud and police brutality.

I wonder if any of the dippers with real tickets will ever stop to think how much easier their lives would’ve been if it wasn’t for their numb nut fellow supporters trying to get in knowing their ticket was fake. In most groups of people there’d be a degree of self policing, “don’t do that mate, that’s dodgy as fuck”. Amongst the dippers the opposite seems to happen. A result, I suppose, of their proud anarchist streak that has resulted in their city going from amongst the richest in the world to its present condition. I doubt they’ll ever learn, they haven’t when these incidents have happened before.
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I reckon a lot of these fans who go have no idea that they are buying fakes, they are probably not even season ticket holders & buy them from sites thinking it’s all legit. Maybe this time the forgers have got carried away / greedy printing & selling 40k.
 
Chris B said:
The next stage of this will be: OK, yes, there were loads of fake tickets. Those poor Liverpool fans just didn’t know and paid thousands for them! They’re victims of fraud and police brutality.

I wonder if any of the dippers with real tickets will ever stop to think how much easier their lives would’ve been if it wasn’t for their numb nut fellow supporters trying to get in knowing their ticket was fake. In most groups of people there’d be a degree of self policing, “don’t do that mate, that’s dodgy as fuck”. Amongst the dippers the opposite seems to happen. A result, I suppose, of their proud anarchist streak that has resulted in their city going from amongst the richest in the world to its present condition. I doubt they’ll ever learn, they haven’t when these incidents have happened before.
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Are you trying to suggest scousers are thick thieving scumbags?

Well I never.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Fake tickets presented on an "industrial Scale" About 70% of tickets presented by about 62,000 Liverpool fans were fake...
www.theguardian.com

Fake tickets on ‘industrial scale’ caused Paris chaos, says French minister

France’s interior minister has said he regrets the ‘disorganised welcome’ Liverpool fans received at the Champions League final but blamed counterfeit ticket sales on an ‘industrial scale’ for chaotic scenes
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Liverpool received an allocation of 19,618 tickets.
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The Guardian went on to say "Television footage showed images of young men, who did not appear to be wearing Liverpool colours, climbing over the stadium fences and jumping inside", completely ignoring the fact that there is tonnes of footage online of shirt wearing fans climbing the fences and clattering through the turnstiles. Also conveniently skipping over the fact that all the stairs and walkways were RAMMED at the Dipper's end which means they'd taken up their allotted seating AND filled the walkways AND there were still fans outside with 'tickets'.

We can argue all day about the number of fakes, but that detracts from the ABSOLUTE FACT that a vast number of THEIR fans entered or attempted to enter the ground with either a fake ticket or no ticket at all, and that's on THEM.
 
I hope UEFA's enquiry is as thorough and successful as the Mersyside police investigation into the disgraceful smashing up of our coach. That is it absolves themselves and the French police and government of any blame whatsoever. Unfair? Yes but suck it up scousers!

Just like a cockroach invasion you don't think, "Hey we've been told this breed of cockroaches are no danger to our health and safety." You remember all the damage they've caused in the past and gas the fuckers. Allez allez allez!!!
 
cheekybids said:
I reckon a lot of these fans who go have no idea that they are buying fakes, they are probably not even season ticket holders & buy them from sites thinking it’s all legit. Maybe this time the forgers have got carried away / greedy printing & selling 40k.
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You'd have to be stupid not to know.... Oh, hang on, you might be right ;-)
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The Guardian went on to say "Television footage showed images of young men, who did not appear to be wearing Liverpool colours, climbing over the stadium fences and jumping inside", completely ignoring the fact that there is tonnes of footage online of shirt wearing fans climbing the fences and clattering through the turnstiles. Also conveniently skipping over the fact that all the stairs and walkways were RAMMED at the Dipper's end which means they'd taken up their allotted seating AND filled the walkways AND there were still fans outside with 'tickets'.

We can argue all day about the number of fakes, but that detracts from the ABSOLUTE FACT that a vast number of THEIR fans entered or attempted to enter the ground with either a fake ticket or no ticket at all, and that's on THEM.
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Not every match going fan wears a club shirt
 
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