How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

mat said:
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This man.

He bet on shortening on the pound and his wealth improved significantly. Other rich cunts did the same. And they will keep doing so because they don't give a fuck about anyone or anything. They have access to what they need. Fuck everyone else.
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He really is a **** amongst Cunts.
 
Cotontoquinn said:
This is a nice thread. Can I just ask….
How did Manchester United get the nickname “The Rags”??
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fulabeer said:
Didn't think there would be many posts praising Brexit but...

Didn't we get the Covid vaccines three months earlier because we didn't have to wait for multiple nations to approve them?
Seem to remember the democratic and lawful EU rip up international laws and try and steal/ban/interfere with the UK's private orders of the stuff. Still want to be a part of that mob?
They have then spent most of their time finding ways to nobble the UK as some kind of punishment for daring to leave.

I thought it a bad idea to leave at the time. The behaviour of the EU since has actually turned me the opposite way.
They seem to be very worried we might do well in the long term....why is this?

As for my day to day life, not much has changed. My business has grown and i'm earning more than ever.
Covid has made judging the real effects of leaving harder. Now Putin has further muddied the waters as such.
I agree some things have changed. They obviously would.
The truth is there is nothing stopping us rejoining the EU if that is what the majority want.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you think, and if it's been a disaster or not.
It's happened, get over it.
If it has affected your business then adapt. Plenty of things have affected my business over the years. Not once have i moaned about it. I have evolved and changed with the times.

People moaning that they find travel harder, then hard shit. I mainly holiday in the States. That involves filling in Esta's. What's the big deal if that happens to travel to the EU?

I'm not into politics. But the one thing i learned during the Pandemic was the Government couldn't do anything to please some people.
We had the forum "experts" on here daily telling us how much the Government was fucking up.
Yet half were saying the Government wasn't locking hard down enough, while others were saying the complete opposite.
Some predicted a disaster when all restrictions were lifted.
"How could the Government be so stupid"
"We will be back to hospitals over flowing again"
Yet these people slid away when nothing happened and peoples lives/businesses started up again.

So forgive me if i ignore most of you "Experts" on politics/brexit.
You know fuck all in reality, otherwise you would be doing it as a job!
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Well, if you think the EU tried to rip up international laws and try and steal/ban/interfere with the UK's private orders of the vaccines, then the rest of your views are as misguided.

The UK did a deal with Astra Zeneca for priority in vaccines when AZ had a contract with the EU that said they had no such agreement. It was breach of contract, and I still suspect some nefarious UK machinations.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I’ve always been a Eurosceptic. I think the EU has become too big and busy an entity. It should just be a customs union and trade bloc, and not much else at all. And for decades some of our industries have been held back, down to being in the EU, and EU laws acting against them (for example, I completely understand why the British fishing industry were anti-EU; they’d been shafted by the EU since the 1980s). Leaving the EU could have been a good thing at some point in future decades had it been the right time with the right people involved.

But 2016 was not the right time, nor were the right people involved. It was too soon after the world financial crisis, the British economy was only just starting to recover from that crash and we needed a few decades of stability after that crash. And we had an austerity Tory govt in power to lead us through leaving, so that was a no-no.

And when it came to it, the campaigns by both leave and remain were an absolute laughable shambles. There was no plan, no idea whatsoever what to do if a leave vote won. There was so little information provided by the leave campaign that it should have been impossible for anyone to vote for it (apart from some industries where they’d been buggered by the EU for so long they were always going to vote leave), but the rest of populace who voted leave were brainwashed by social media and it all enticed a great number of people. But the remain campaign was just as bad. I wasn’t going to vote at first but the remain campaign was so bad that it got scary that leave might win so I had to vote remain in the hope that enough people would so we didn’t leave. But not enough people did. Unfortunately, too many saw the whole thing for the fucking joke that it was and abstained (really, the entire country should have abstained from the fucking joke that it was, but unfortunately social media is too powerful and persuasive!).

What should have happened is that in 2016, a panel of people should have got together and been given jobs for a decade to draw up a plan and sort out trade deals around the world and with the EU in the hypothetical situation that Britain might one day leave the EU. Then in 2026 the plans could have been put forward to the nation to decide whether it might be a good idea or not for MPs to discuss the plans. If MPs thought it met a number of points then they could vote on whether it could be put forward to the country as a referendum. Then the country could have hard evidence of a plan and trade deals and have a referendum on it with sound evidence of what leaving would look like.

What we got instead is the biggest pile of shit there’s ever been in British political history!

In the end, I think Brexit got away with being so shit because the economy would have been in the shit because of the pandemic and the war in Ukraine, even if we’d remained. For example, I think we should all be prepared to take a hit financially in order to combat Russia without going to war with them, so it’s not like we can’t live with some hardships. But it’s how we come out of the other side that is key and having to battle against three things instead of two just makes it worse.
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Seriously? Fishing? Industries? When car manufacturing has gone from a high in 2016 and looking to expand to its present parlous state (even with the state money bungs to Nissan to stay).
 
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fulabeer said:
Didn't think there would be many posts praising Brexit but...

Didn't we get the Covid vaccines three months earlier because we didn't have to wait for multiple nations to approve them?
Seem to remember the democratic and lawful EU rip up international laws and try and steal/ban/interfere with the UK's private orders of the stuff. Still want to be a part of that mob?
They have then spent most of their time finding ways to nobble the UK as some kind of punishment for daring to leave.

I thought it a bad idea to leave at the time. The behaviour of the EU since has actually turned me the opposite way.
They seem to be very worried we might do well in the long term....why is this?

As for my day to day life, not much has changed. My business has grown and i'm earning more than ever.
Covid has made judging the real effects of leaving harder. Now Putin has further muddied the waters as such.
I agree some things have changed. They obviously would.
The truth is there is nothing stopping us rejoining the EU if that is what the majority want.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you think, and if it's been a disaster or not.
It's happened, get over it.
If it has affected your business then adapt. Plenty of things have affected my business over the years. Not once have i moaned about it. I have evolved and changed with the times.

People moaning that they find travel harder, then hard shit. I mainly holiday in the States. That involves filling in Esta's. What's the big deal if that happens to travel to the EU?

I'm not into politics. But the one thing i learned during the Pandemic was the Government couldn't do anything to please some people.
We had the forum "experts" on here daily telling us how much the Government was fucking up.
Yet half were saying the Government wasn't locking hard down enough, while others were saying the complete opposite.
Some predicted a disaster when all restrictions were lifted.
"How could the Government be so stupid"
"We will be back to hospitals over flowing again"
Yet these people slid away when nothing happened and peoples lives/businesses started up again.

So forgive me if i ignore most of you "Experts" on politics/brexit.
You know fuck all in reality, otherwise you would be doing it as a job!
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Bang on.
 
bluethrunthru said:
maybe these folk are happy....

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It’s shite like what this Stefanovic has said that makes the layman not trust those who backed remain either… I don’t trust ardent brexiteers generally. A 3hr queue for any traveller EU or not, is a load of shite and piss poor management. US media outlets would kick off if they had to wait that long for them to travel in the UK. I expect to wait longer than EU nationals but 3 hours is piss poor and something has gone wrong for it to be that long.
 
Octavian said:
Don’t get people getting upset over anyone waving their national flag, it’s bizarre whether it’s jubilee or not.

Every nation on earth does it with pride.
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Why do you need a flag pole in your garden?

And why stop there?

Union Jack undies, Tattoos on your face.

It’s not that people are annoyed by it they just think it is usually a sign that the flag bearer is a small minded idiot.

And most usually are.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Why do you need a flag pole in your garden?

And why stop there?

Union Jack undies, Tattoos on your face.

It’s not that people are annoyed by it they just think it is usually a sign that the flag bearer is a small minded idiot.

And most usually are.
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So anyone who enjoys waving his or her flag is a small minded idiot? You come out with some tosh :)
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Why do you need a flag pole in your garden?

And why stop there?

Union Jack undies, Tattoos on your face.

It’s not that people are annoyed by it they just think it is usually a sign that the flag bearer is a small minded idiot.

And most usually are.
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I don’t have one in my garden but how do you come to that conclusion about people without speaking to them?

If someone puts a pride flag in their garden are they a small minded idiot or are you only allowed to be proud of stuff you agree with?
 
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