Oleksandr Zinchenko | Joins Arsenal for £30m

[01cravend]

Apparently 6 prem clubs and a bunch on the continent are interested on him. Which would probably point to our asking price being too low.

 

[JewelZee]

Any stats to actually back that up?

I'll just go with my eyes...

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I'll just go with my eyes...

That’s a no then, thanks.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Ohhhhhh,harsh but true

It's not even meant to be. The guy's literally given blood, sweat and tears for us and could be getting paid more and playing more at another club after declining at least two moves to Betis and Wolves.

Just look at his reaction and words after the Villa game.

If people want to say that playing for a professional club is a strictly transactional thing and that no players can form a genuine emotional bond with a club then I'd tell them they're being overly cynical.

Sure, it's rare but that's what makes it so special.

 

[01cravend]

That’s a no then, thanks.

Cucurella used to play on the wing for Getafe and his best return is 1 goal and 5 assists. Has the potential to do better but £50mil+ for him is mental

 

[LongsightM13]

All I have said is that I am to be convinced Cucurella is an offensive upgrade on Zinchenko.

I have not said he is better defensively nor is he quicker.

How can you be certain Cucurella ismore of an attacking threat than Zinchenko, the naturally attacking midfielder?

Mate got to disagree here
Its clear Pep wants a specialist left back and Cucurella created almost as many chances as any full back last season
The fact he got only one assist says more about Brighton’s woeful goalscoring than his ability to be a real threat going forward
The Villa game was probably the first time I’ve seen Zin going at his rival full back, though tbf I’m pretty sure he plays to specific instructions
Either way it’s an upgrade imo
Look at the teams in for him
You should always look to improve and Cucurella is an improvement imo

 

[leo_city]

Attacking from the LB position Cucurella is better...as a midfielder Zinny is better...

Even as an out and out full back Zinchenko is better. Cucurella may only be better defensively and may have a better turn of pace, but aside that Zinchenko is far more capable and technically sound.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Mate got to disagree here
Its clear Pep wants a specialist left back and Cucurella created almost as many chances as any full back last season
The fact he got only one assist says more about Brighton’s woeful goalscoring than his ability to be a real threat going forward
The Villa game was probably the first time I’ve seen Zin going at his rival full back, though tbf I’m pretty sure he plays to specific instructions
Either way it’s an upgrade imo
Look at the teams in for him
You should always look to improve and Cucurella is an improvement imo

Whilst this is true, Zinchenko created more chances per 90 minutes than Cucurella did, it’s just that Zinchenko played 15 games to Cucurella’s 35.

What is different is the way they attack as OZ cuts in more than MC would.

Being an attacking full back isn’t just about going at their opposite number in a Pep team.

I think that Cucurella is much better defensively and 4km/h quicker.

What I think a lot of people are doing on here is underselling OZ’s attacking input and ability to retain the ball through the opposition press.

 

[LongsightM13]

Cucurella used to play on the wing for Getafe and his best return is 1 goal and 5 assists. Has the potential to do better but £50mil+ for him is mental

Getafe and Brighton can’t score for toffee.
He would be sensational in our team
We paid more for a much shitter player five years ago

 

[LongsightM13]

Even as an out and out full back Zinchenko is better. Cucurella may only be better defensively and may have a better turn of pace, but aside that Zinchenko is far more capable and technically sound.

Have to disagree with pretty much 100% of that

 

[LongsightM13]

Whilst this is true, Zinchenko created more chances per 90 minutes than Cucurella did, it’s just that Zinchenko played 15 games to Cucurella’s 35.

What is different is the way they attack as OZ cuts in more than MC would.

Being an attacking full back isn’t just about going at their opposite number in a Pep team.

I think that Cucurella is much better defensively and 4km/h quicker.

What I think a lot of people are doing on here is underselling OZ’s attacking input and ability to retain the ball through the opposition press.

One was playing for City with 70% possession a game. The other for Brighton

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

One was playing for City with 70% possession a game. The other for Brighton

Sure, but that doesn’t mean that would translate into the same for us.

Brighton weren’t too shabby at 54.3% average.

 

[meeesh]

It's not even meant to be. The guy's literally given blood, sweat and tears for us and could be getting paid more and playing more at another club after declining at least two moves to Betis and Wolves.

Just look at his reaction and words after the Villa game.

If people want to say that playing for a professional club is a strictly transactional thing and that no players can form a genuine emotional bond with a club then I'd tell them they're being overly cynical.

Sure, it's rare but that's what makes it so special.

I was more meaning the line you put regarding the “some on here” part,you don’t need to sell him to me mate,I agree,but what I will say,and nobody and I mean nobody who follows City can argue we’ve needed a proper left back for some considerable time now,fact that.

Mendy looked fairly ok when he first came whipping crosses across face of goal that Haaland would have loved,but when he got injured he came back awful,and the rest is history with that clown as we know so a new LB for me wouldn’t go amiss that’s the truth

 

[01cravend]

Getafe and Brighton can’t score for toffee.
He would be sensational in our team
We paid more for a much shitter player five years ago

Last season was Cucurella's first season as a mostly LB(18 games) So he has less experience there(back 4) than Zin.

Why would he be sensational? There is no evidence to suggest he'd be sensational in a team light years ahead of anywhere he's ever played before(didn't cut it at a declining Barca) in a position he is basically just learning. It's a gamble just like Mendy was. Look at Angelino, fantastic as a wingback but a shit left back.

 

[AliBobbyJ]

What I think a lot of people are doing on here is underselling OZ’s attacking input and ability to retain the ball through the opposition press.

He showed how good he can be going forward and creating chances against Villa and then for Ukraine v. Scotland. But Pep doesn't start him in that role because there are other players ahead of him who do that and probably do it even better.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

I was more meaning the line you put regarding the “some on here” part,you don’t need to sell him to me mate,I agree,but what I will say,and nobody and I mean nobody who follows City can argue we’ve needed a proper left back for some considerable time now,fact that.

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't agree more. We'll have fucked up if we don't sign a left back again this summer.

I just don't get that other stuff.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

He showed how good he can be going forward and creating chances against Villa and then for Ukraine v. Scotland. But Pep doesn't start him in that role because there are other players ahead of him who do that and probably do it even better.

Zinchenko is currently our best left footed left back.

He played left back against Villa. Villa stopped attacking after Coutinho scored, so he largely became a winger for the last 20 mins or so.

Zinchenko coming on in the Parc des Princes last season helped win us the game in the semi final against PSG.

He, like most players, fuck up occasionally. West Ham and every visit to St Mary’s spring to mind.

However, he’s a damn good left back. If he had Walker’s pace, he’d be unplayable.

 

[richards30]

If he has to go Dortmund would be a good move? Might help give us friendly relations when we come knocking for Bellingham next summer! ;-)

 

[meeesh]

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't agree more. We'll have fucked up if we don't sign a left back again this summer.

I just don't get that other stuff.

He’s an emotional guy,and even more so with all the shit going on on his homeland,who wouldn’t be,but you know he just might be thinking this time that the battle to hold down a regular start at City as much as he loves it here, has to be looked at,and if he can get it elsewhere we may be getting another farewell letter soon

 

[Kippax77]

Zinchenko is currently our best left footed left back.

He played left back against Villa. Villa stopped attacking after Coutinho scored, so he largely became a winger for the last 20 mins or so.

Zinchenko coming on in the Parc des Princes last season helped win us the game in the semi final against PSG.

He, like most players, fuck up occasionally. West Ham and every visit to St Mary’s spring to mind.

However, he’s a damn good left back. If he had Walker’s pace, he’d be unplayable.

Pace being the operative word.
We need a new left back at the club