What stats do you want?...I have one for you...Cucurella will move for a minimum of 45 mil and Zinny will go for under 40...you're welcome...
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Oleksandr Zinchenko | Joins Arsenal for £30m
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Brilliant. Might as well close the thread as some random bloke has valued two players.What stats do you want?...I have one for you...Cucurella will move for a minimum of 45 mil and Zinny will go for under 40...you're welcome...
Bonkers...Even as an out and out full back Zinchenko is better. Cucurella may only be better defensively and may have a better turn of pace, but aside that Zinchenko is far more capable and technically sound.
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Good footballer and great servant to the club but pep clearly doesn't rate him as good enough to start. He has had some great game and brilliant moments but if pep would to go with Cucurella are even give Wilson-Esbrand a shout I trust him.
It's okay to want Cucurella, literally everybody here does...Bonkers...
But how can you be so utterly convinced he will outperform Zinchenko in attack who has already been playing for us for a while and shown how well he can make our attack tick, compared to a player who has never played for us.
There isn't enough information, and I'm betting you saw one tweet and some youtube videos and convinced yourself solely on that.
WTF are you even saying?...you sound like a jack ass tough guy...Brilliant. Might as well close the thread as some random bloke has valued two players.
If that's what you're convinced of I can assure you you are misinformed...It's okay to want Cucurella, literally everybody here does...
But how can you be so utterly convinced he will outperform Zinchenko in attack who has already been playing for us for a while and shown how well he can make our attack tick, compared to a player who has never played for us.
There isn't enough information, and I'm betting you saw one tweet and some youtube videos and convinced yourself solely on that.
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No, I tried to get an informed opinion out of you.WTF are you even saying?...you sound like a jack ass tough guy...
Instead I got some mild abuse and a “let’s see what the market says” along with a lot of bravado.
If that is your stance, which you are entitled to, you literally don’t have an opinion until the market decides what happens.
Until then, you can decide in your head what will happen, but unless you are Txiki, you can’t possibly know.
What if Zinchenko stays and Cucurella doesn’t come? Does that make Zinchenko better in your world?
How exactly? Forget achievements. As a footballer Zinchenko is streets ahead of Cucurella, his IQ is far superior, it's why he was able to play as a left back despite being a number 10 in his early years. And he's doing it at a high level too, midfield or full back. He understands a very demanding role and does well, defensively he's still suspect but so are majority of modern fullbacks.Bonkers...
Is Cucurella better because he's from La Masia and had 1 good season at Brighton to warrant £50m? What's he better at than Zinchenko?
Delph was a stop gap but it didn't last because of injuries/age/form. Zinchenko has survived multiple seasons. He's adjusted under Pep to become the player that he is and it works really well. If availability and injury record is your concern that's a whole different argument, but in a footballing level people seem to misunderstand that a player like him isn't some stop gap, there have been multiple windows where we could easily get a left back but we stuck with him, and then Cancelo had the season he did. So all this chat of us needing one is great but £50m on one from a midtable club within league has to result in him being the best left back in the league and I think Cucurella has got some ways to go before he gets there.Zin has been a great servant and is a top man but let’s be honest, he is a stop gap solution who has overachieved, just like Delph.
It is a testament to him that he has survived so long but we have sacrificed much more talented players this summer.
I suspect we are going to set up slightly differently next year to get the most of Haaland and also Grealish, Foden etc
That will need specialist full backs which Zin sadly isn’t
Inverted fullback that helps us in the build up and is very tactically aware in how to get forward, maneuver tight spaces and find the right pass? Why would he play bin him or put him on the touchline if it's working? I'm all for a different option but to act like we'd be upgrading after getting Cucurella is laughable. Cancelo also gets rinsed, arguably even more than Zinchenko, doesn't make him a bad fullback, could even go look at rivals like Liverpool and their right back in Trent, always getting rinsed, but it's about what he provides on the ball and to the system.what kind of bullshit is this? Zinchenko may be good technically but he is god awful as a full back. he can play as an inverted fullback because of his midfield days but that is about it. put him on the touchline he is no good added to the fact he gets rinsed every single time it is a no brainier to bin him off and get a balanced fullback like Cucurella
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Zero argument aside a shiny new toy hype in Cucurella, he's a good player with a solid season under his belt, but he's no different to your Ait Nouri, your Tierney, your Shaw, your Digne or Targett, plenty names on similar level. This might be to do with him being Catalan, and having two Spaniards one side helps communication, similar to why Walker and Stones has worked so well, or at times Dias and Cancelo either left or right. All for it, but keep Zinchenko, losing him for peanuts to Arsenal does us no favour. We should be adding to our depth. He is good cover for left back and can play in midfield if there's injury issues.
How about the CL Final against Chelsea...I get it...you're a big Zinny fan...everyone loves the guy, me included...but that doesn't make him a viable LB on a club like ours...he's done a remarkable job considering he's really an inside attacking mid...but I'll stick to the idea we could use a true LB...if Zinny wants to stay in his current role more power to him, but he's not a first team LB on this team...Could you point to any game where he’s been a headless chicken?
The West Ham game wasn’t his greatest 45 mins, but he wasn’t helped by his fellow defenders much.
So barring that game and 2 at Southampton, could you point us to another game he did badly in?
If we sell sterling, Jesus, ake, Torres and zinchenko for a combined £220m we have some amazing businessWe don't need to do Arsenal any favours when it comes to add-ons, so I think £40m is about right for a four-time Premier League winner and only 25?
It's only when I watch other games on TV, I realise our team/players seem to be playing a different game to the rest!
None of these are starting 11 players for us
I’m amazed how well we are selling these days
I'm not trying to abuse you or anyone else...its not in my world where Cucurella is a much more highly rated LB than Zinchenko...its the real world...my saying that isn't a show of bravado...its just me expressing an opinion that in this case puts me in the majority...I respect you sticking to your opinion, but you trying to dismiss my opinion as radical or off the wall considering the realities of the matter might suggest you're the one expressing some bravado...just sayin'...No, I tried to get an informed opinion out of you.
Instead I got some mild abuse and a “let’s see what the market says” along with a lot of bravado.
If that is your stance, which you are entitled to, you literally don’t have an opinion until the market decides what happens.
Until then, you can decide in your head what will happen, but unless you are Txiki, you can’t possibly know.
What if Zinchenko stays and Cucurella doesn’t come? Does that make Zinchenko better in your world?
You mean the CL final where we collectively failed to turn up as a team or failed to have a shot on target, our manager decided to play no defensive midfielder. That CL final? I hate when people pick moments to use against players. Not a single top player at our club has performed on a consistent level in CL bar KDB, and even then in some matches some of our best players have fallen short. Doesn't mean they're bad. Please stop using isolated incidents to judge players. You don't know if a proper left back in that position would have caught up or would be caught sleeping entirely.How about the CL Final against Chelsea...I get it...you're a big Zinny fan...everyone loves the guy, me included...but
How exactly did you measure their footballing IQs?...just curious...How exactly? Forget achievements. As a footballer Zinchenko is streets ahead of Cucurella, his IQ is far superior, it's why he was able to play as a left back despite being a number 10 in his early years. And he's doing it at a high level too, midfield or full back. He understands a very demanding role and does well, defensively he's still suspect but so are majority of modern fullbacks.
Is Cucurella better because he's from La Masia and had 1 good season at Brighton to warrant £50m? What's he better at than Zinchenko?
Because one plays under Pep Guardiola, that tells me he has high IQ. Because a player who could have been any CFG fodder stayed and played left back and did so at a high level. That tells me he has a high IQ, because he is able to understand a very demanding role, that's how too. Is that enough? Or do you want me to ask him for a test?How exactly did you measure their footballing IQs?...just curious...
Players with a higher understanding of the game are able to play multiple positions, Cucurella has played left back all his years and has had one solid season at a midtable club in Prem but I'm supposed to believe he's the hidden gem being slept on by entire Europe to come replace a player already doing a job.
Me neitherFair enough, I’m not trying to argue we don’t.
You're right I don't know if another LB would have got caught sleeping...but the fact still remains it was Zin who did...its not a random isolated moment...its a title deciding play that because of his lack of pace and instinct at that position cost us dearly...I'm not placing the blame for the loss on him but merely pointing out that when someone is asked to perform outside the realm of their comfort zone at this level it can be fatal...Pep put him there, so kudos to him for stepping up...but please don't try to sell me on Zinny or Cancelo for that matter as reliable defenders in those type of situations...you can like who you want as can I but clearly the club feels some upgrades are necessary...You mean the CL final where we collectively failed to turn up as a team or failed to have a shot on target, our manager decided to play no defensive midfielder. That CL final? I hate when people pick moments to use against players. Not a single top player at our club has performed on a consistent level in CL bar KDB, and even then in some matches some of our best players have fallen short. Doesn't mean they're bad. Please stop using isolated incidents to judge players. You don't know if a proper left back in that position would have caught up or would be caught sleeping entirely.
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