The Conservative Party

I think the tories will eventually make the calculation that the dwindling numbers of brexit supporters do not need to be catered for (many of them will be dead soon).
Remember the tories are a completely unprincipled, unscrupulous, amoral party whose sole aim is to get into power and stay there whatever the cost to we the public, or to their own leaders.
If they can- and they’re trying to do it now- cleanse themselves of the lying fraud and his legacy, and they perceive brexit is an electoral liability and not the asset it was, then they will say and do anything to distance themselves from it and just like with the leave campaign, they will be persuasive and cunning about it. Never underestimate the gullibility of the voters.
It‘s going to make fascinating watching.
It may be fascinating watching, but it’s a car crash for the majority of the country. You are completely right, and nothing will change.

Note how they’ve thrown out the over 50 COVID jab without a big furore. Another basic where they put the emphasis on the individual rather than bringing people together and fighting the cause.

They do not want to be held to account should it all, once again go, Pete Tong.
 
It puts me in mind of how doctors used to tell us (way back I know) that smoking was actually beneficial to us.
As people died of smoking related diseases it became obvious through experience and advancing knowledge, that smoking was in fact extremely dangerous even though most people did it.
Society , albeit over a period of time, changed attitude as facts about smoking were revealed and the fatal consequences became obvious.
I‘m clinging to the idea that evolution of thought and experience will show us that brexit is indisputably dangerous and harmful and eventually enough people will realise this, and they can excuse their original stupidity for voting for it by using the scientific evidence now available.
If they want to carry on blaming we remainers for causing failure by not believing enough, then I for one am prepared to take it on the chin as long as it saves our country from more acts of self harm.
Nice analogy, but we're three or four (possibly five) generations down the line from knowing smoking is dangerous yet a sizeable proportion still smokes. There are some Brexiteers who will never acknowledge the act of national self-harm they have committed.
 

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I heard that **** on the radio yesterday and he was on about nanny state and being dictated to and how " British people have lived through a lifetime of heatwaves and got through it " - the interviewer had to steer him back to reality by pointing out that the words "record temperatures" mean that their lived experiences mean they haven't lived through whats coming.

Reminded me of those people who said over Brexit or Covid shortages " its the Blitz Spirit and we all lived through that" and you think - no you didn't Mavis - you just said you are 63 and the war ended in 1945 - do the maths you daft mare !!
 
I heard that **** on the radio yesterday and he was on about nanny state and being dictated to and how " British people have lived through a lifetime of heatwaves and got through it " - the interviewer had to steer him back to reality by pointing out that the words "record temperatures" mean that their lived experiences mean they haven't lived through whats coming.

Reminded me of those people who said over Brexit or Covid shortages " its the Blitz Spirit and we all lived through that" and you think - no you didn't Mavis - you just said you are 63 and the war ended in 1945 - do the maths you daft mare !!
Yeah, and those daft bastard, dull as hell remember gowoiing up as a kid in the 80's that were doing the rounds on FB.

imagine being so wedded to your past, Mental purgatory.
 
Tobias Elwood has the whip removed for not voting for the confidence motion, and can't vote in the leadership contest now. He was supporting Mordaunt.

He pointed out that he was having a meeting with the President of Moldova, and his return was disrupted.

They're eating themselves.
 
Tobias Elwood has the whip removed for not voting for the confidence motion, and can't vote in the leadership contest now. He was supporting Mordaunt.

He pointed out that he was having a meeting with the President of Moldova, and his return was disrupted.

They're eating themselves.

Its funny how quickly he can remove the whip when he wants to whereas if you are a sex pest its a tough call - Ellwood may consider it was Johnsons petty revenge for this - ie showing him up for the ill informed clown he is -

 
Its funny how quickly he can remove the whip when he wants to whereas if you are a sex pest its a tough call - Ellwood may consider it was Johnsons petty revenge for this - ie showing him up for the ill informed clown he is -



entirely possible, the two don't get on.

They seem to have gone off the deep end on trying to whip people into this, judging by @urban genie 's post elswhere.
 
Tobias Elwood has the whip removed for not voting for the confidence motion, and can't vote in the leadership contest now. He was supporting Mordaunt.

He pointed out that he was having a meeting with the President of Moldova, and his return was disrupted.

They're eating themselves.
I wonder how many other whip removals will happen over the next couple of days to MPs that are not supporting his favoured contender.
 
I wonder if they’ll ever ‘take back control’ from the people they’ve sold the national infrastructure to? Of course they won’t, because everything they do is about raising cash for the very few and saddling the very many with years of paying for it. Their greatest triumph though is how they convince ‘ordinary people’ that they’re on their side!

Even the Mail, via the Alex Brummer column, have been questioning privatisation, which suggests something has gone very, very wrong…

I have paraphrased an article and added one a few other thoughts/observations.
Within a few short decades of privatisation, several of the enterprises have been broken up and floated on the stock market and transferred their ownership from the UK state to overseas government control.

Vital strategic decisions on energy, transport and other services being taken in Paris, Berlin, Sydney, Amsterdam and Madrid rather than the UK.

The loss of command and control in vital industries and services is in the spotlight at present. John Holland-Kaye is the head at Heathrow but Hea throw has Spanish owners in Ferrovial, Qatar et al so, it’s hardly a surprise that sorting it out isn‘t top of the priority list

None of these distant owners care a jot about Emirates or BA, the passengers, or the role of Heathrow in the UK's service-driven economy.

When the Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan was damaged by an earthquake in March 2011, the government of Angela Merkel in Berlin decided to halt new nuclear investment in Germany and decommission existing plants by 2022.

As a consequence, German power suppliers EON and RWE decided to cancel plans for new nuclear plants in the UK at Anglesey and Oldbury, saying the economics no longer made sense. Britain had ceded control over its electricity future to Berlin.
Even better, we decided to let France and China build our new nuclear energy plants, the only country to outsource nuclear energy building.
In this year's energy crisis the loudest protests about energy bills and the need for corporate bailouts came from Scottish Power. The utility is owned by Spain's Iberdrola which, in the past, has come under fire in Scotland for sending cash surpluses off to Spain for investment in wind farms in North America.

At present several UK water suppliers, including overseas-owned Anglian, Thames and Yorkshire, face serious enforcement actions from the UK Environment Agency for pollution.

Overseas and sometimes state ownership of UK utilities have done enough damage to us whist massively increasing the coffers for them. The Dutch readily admit that some of our train services subsidise fares in the Netherlands. Yet the UK's remaining home-owned and quoted bus and train franchises are next on the list whilst LNER, the one real success on the railways at the minute, is under immediate threat as the government look for a short term gain for a mid to longer term loss!

Stagecoach is being bought by German investment fund DWS, Aberdeen-based First Group is being targeted by private equity suitors and Newcastle's Go Ahead by Aussie and Spanish investors. Other than a sugar rush of cash for shareholders and executives, nothing positive can come from the loss of local ownership.

Then there is the matter of our energy supply in the midst of a global crisis. The French government currently is taking full control of one of the big five generators in the UK, Electricite de France (EDF).

President Emmanuel Macron is anxious to rehabilitate and expand France's nuclear fleet which has proved a source of national strength in the face of Russia's war on Ukraine. Resources potentially invested in next-generation nuclear in the UK could well be directed back home to France!
 
Tobias Elwood has the whip removed for not voting for the confidence motion, and can't vote in the leadership contest now. He was supporting Mordaunt.

He pointed out that he was having a meeting with the President of Moldova, and his return was disrupted.

They're eating themselves.
There is a clear rift now but its not so much on policy lines but personality. Those that refuse to see any wrongdoing and those that do and whant to move away from the Johnson mold of BS your way through endless scandal.

This move will only make this rift worse.
 
There is a clear rift now but its not so much on policy lines but personality. Those that refuse to see any wrongdoing and those that do and whant to move away from the Johnson mold of BS your way through endless scandal.

This move will only make this rift worse.
He's a big supporter of Mourdant. As you say it could swing momentum to her and fuck off the Poundland Thatcher clone he's backing to overthrow next.
 
There is a clear rift now but its not so much on policy lines but personality. Those that refuse to see any wrongdoing and those that do and whant to move away from the Johnson mold of BS your way through endless scandal.

This move will only make this rift worse.
Can’t send a link, unfortunately, but Sherelle Jacobs has a piece in the Telegraph outlining the deeper ideological divisions that are becoming more evident in the Conservative Party. They’re basically out of unifying ideas and unable now to control the narrative, let alone events, so even after the new leader is elected we’ll see a period of fractious politics.
 
I wonder if they’ll ever ‘take back control’ from the people they’ve sold the national infrastructure to? Of course they won’t, because everything they do is about raising cash for the very few and saddling the very many with years of paying for it. Their greatest triumph though is how they convince ‘ordinary people’ that they’re on their side!

Even the Mail, via the Alex Brummer column, have been questioning privatisation, which suggests something has gone very, very wrong…

I have paraphrased an article and added one a few other thoughts/observations.
Within a few short decades of privatisation, several of the enterprises have been broken up and floated on the stock market and transferred their ownership from the UK state to overseas government control.

Vital strategic decisions on energy, transport and other services being taken in Paris, Berlin, Sydney, Amsterdam and Madrid rather than the UK.

The loss of command and control in vital industries and services is in the spotlight at present. John Holland-Kaye is the head at Heathrow but Hea throw has Spanish owners in Ferrovial, Qatar et al so, it’s hardly a surprise that sorting it out isn‘t top of the priority list

None of these distant owners care a jot about Emirates or BA, the passengers, or the role of Heathrow in the UK's service-driven economy.

When the Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan was damaged by an earthquake in March 2011, the government of Angela Merkel in Berlin decided to halt new nuclear investment in Germany and decommission existing plants by 2022.

As a consequence, German power suppliers EON and RWE decided to cancel plans for new nuclear plants in the UK at Anglesey and Oldbury, saying the economics no longer made sense. Britain had ceded control over its electricity future to Berlin.
Even better, we decided to let France and China build our new nuclear energy plants, the only country to outsource nuclear energy building.
In this year's energy crisis the loudest protests about energy bills and the need for corporate bailouts came from Scottish Power. The utility is owned by Spain's Iberdrola which, in the past, has come under fire in Scotland for sending cash surpluses off to Spain for investment in wind farms in North America.

At present several UK water suppliers, including overseas-owned Anglian, Thames and Yorkshire, face serious enforcement actions from the UK Environment Agency for pollution.

Overseas and sometimes state ownership of UK utilities have done enough damage to us whist massively increasing the coffers for them. The Dutch readily admit that some of our train services subsidise fares in the Netherlands. Yet the UK's remaining home-owned and quoted bus and train franchises are next on the list whilst LNER, the one real success on the railways at the minute, is under immediate threat as the government look for a short term gain for a mid to longer term loss!

Stagecoach is being bought by German investment fund DWS, Aberdeen-based First Group is being targeted by private equity suitors and Newcastle's Go Ahead by Aussie and Spanish investors. Other than a sugar rush of cash for shareholders and executives, nothing positive can come from the loss of local ownership.

Then there is the matter of our energy supply in the midst of a global crisis. The French government currently is taking full control of one of the big five generators in the UK, Electricite de France (EDF).

President Emmanuel Macron is anxious to rehabilitate and expand France's nuclear fleet which has proved a source of national strength in the face of Russia's war on Ukraine. Resources potentially invested in next-generation nuclear in the UK could well be directed back home to France!
This just gives the lie to whole brexit charade.
I suspect that very few brexiters read or understood any of these facts, which are simple demonstrations of how ludicrous the concepts of ‘sovereignty’ or ‘ taking back control’ actually are and I certainly don’t remember any campaigners mentioning it- and how we are inextricably bound up with other countries and foreign businesses.
Still, they what they were voting for.
 

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