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It started with abortion but, as predicted, the rest will follow post 2024.

The House advanced legislation this week, ensuring access to contraception by a vote of 228-195. Only 8 Republicans voted YES. All 195 NO votes were Republicans.
Theres also one mad woman saying that adoptive parents are ’fake’ and the biggest threat to our children today! “Children are made by god and should be brought up with a ‘biological mom and dad”. That would be bad enough if it was an anonymous twitter post but it’s actually an interview given by a sitting congresswoman……..

There’s actually only the width of a cigarette paper between the GOP and the Taliban!
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It started with abortion but, as predicted, the rest will follow post 2024.

The House advanced legislation this week, ensuring access to contraception by a vote of 228-195. Only 8 Republicans voted YES. All 195 NO votes were Republicans.
Theres also one mad woman saying that adoptive parents are ’fake’ and the biggest threat to our children today! “Children are made by god and should be brought up with a ‘biological mom and dad”. That would be bad enough if it was an anonymous twitter post but it’s actually an interview given by a sitting congresswoman……..

There’s actually only the width of a cigarette paper between the GOP and the Taliban!
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This idiocy is a result of out-of-control gerrymandering and closed primaries (where each party's selection of candidates for office occur but where the other party cannot vote to influence the outcome - primaries have low turnout and hyper partisan candidates, either far right or far left, frequently win out).
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It started with abortion but, as predicted, the rest will follow post 2024.

The House advanced legislation this week, ensuring access to contraception by a vote of 228-195. Only 8 Republicans voted YES. All 195 NO votes were Republicans.
Theres also one mad woman saying that adoptive parents are ’fake’ and the biggest threat to our children today! “Children are made by god and should be brought up with a ‘biological mom and dad”. That would be bad enough if it was an anonymous twitter post but it’s actually an interview given by a sitting congresswoman……..

There’s actually only the width of a cigarette paper between the GOP and the Taliban!
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A transparent attack on gays and lesbians surely?
 
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The full blooper reel is great fun, especially when he’s the first to suggest Biden’s gaff prone.
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Trump isn't particularly gaff prone - Trump by-in-large articulates precisely what he means. And he's the master of double-speak - both saying and not saying, leaving supporters free to embrace his remarks while leaving room to deny those who oppose him. Proud Boys - stand back and stand by. And so on.

This so-called "blooper real" (it's not a set of bloopers -it's Trump rejecting speaking points that he disagrees with) isn't powerful in that it suggests that Trump is prone to missteps in communication - far from it. It's powerful because it illustrates that Trump knows precisely what he wants to say - and he's having none of the "Biden won the election" talking points.

In contrast, Biden is extremely gaff prone - either misrepresenting himself, or caught out in a truthful utterance that nonetheless would have much better been left unsaid.

That said, Trump is the worst President America has ever had by a long ways. And for what it's worth, I think that Biden is performing quite well but has been delt an insuperable set of challenges. Perhaps a more articulate President would be doing much better in the polls - but I doubt it. Double digit inflation and the steady, unified drum of right wing disparagement as embodied by Fox News are going to make Biden a one term president.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Trump isn't particularly gaff prone - Trump by-in-large articulates precisely what he means. And he's the master of double-speak - both saying and not saying, leaving supporters free to embrace his remarks while leaving room to deny those who oppose him. Proud Boys - stand back and stand by. And so on.

This so-called "blooper real" (it's not a set of bloopers -it's Trump rejecting speaking points that he disagrees with) isn't powerful in that it suggests that Trump is prone to missteps in communication - far from it. It's powerful because it illustrates that Trump knows precisely what he wants to say - and he's having none of the "Biden won the election" talking points.

In contrast, Biden is extremely gaff prone - either misrepresenting himself, or caught out in a truthful utterance that nonetheless would have much better been left unsaid.

That said, Trump is the worst President America has ever had by a long ways. And for what it's worth, I think that Biden is performing quite well but has been delt an insuperable set of challenges. Perhaps a more articulate President would be doing much better in the polls - but I doubt it. Double digit inflation and the steady, unified drum of right wing disparagement as embodied by Fox News are going to make Biden a one term president.
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Biden has a stutter, which he often finds difficult to control. This often results in his brain misfiring when he speaks.

Trump is just an ill educated buffoon with a limited vocabulary that he has a mastery of. He's used mob tactics all his life. A playground bully with influence and money.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
He thought he could delay until after the mid-terms hoping all this would just go away.
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I get that, but surely he and his counsel (is it council or counsel?) aren't daft enough to realise that once it got to a certain point, there's little chance that would happen. The Court wasn't going to allow them to drag it on as they could see what was happening.

Going down as a martyr, for a man who cares not one jot about you...surreal.

If people are being sent down for simply setting foot in The Capitol on that day, then surely if Garland is being truthful when he says they will punish as many as possible, Bannon's alleged involvement in the conspiracy leaves him very vulnerable to more jail time doesn't it?
 
Salford_Blue said:
I get that, but surely he and his counsel (is it council or counsel?) aren't daft enough to realise that once it got to a certain point, there's little chance that would happen. The Court wasn't going to allow them to drag it on as they could see what was happening.

Going down as a martyr, for a man who cares not one jot about you...surreal.

If people are being sent down for simply setting foot in The Capitol on that day, then surely if Garland is being truthful when he says they will punish as many as possible, Bannon's alleged involvement in the conspiracy leaves him very vulnerable to more jail time doesn't it?
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A tactic to nail Shit gibbon. Would Bannon save his own skin to fuck someone else?
 
Salford_Blue said:
How does it work in the US, could he still avoid jail even now, after being found guilty, if he gives up some information? Or has he shot his bolt?
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I'm not a lawyer - but, for what it's worth, I think that Bannon can strike a deal for reduced jail time in return for accurate, verifiable testimony.
 
As the 1/6 hearings draw to a close, what really has transpired?

The 1/6 committee has done a fantastic job, presenting evidence of a deranged Trump seeking to overturn the results of a free and fair election.

Ratings for the hearings have been high - so much of America has seen this.

Some Republican donors now seem less inclined to support Trump. And a few prominent Republican figures have changed their minds about Trump and have voiced concern about his 1/6 actions.

And yet...

Has anything really changed?

His base is still radically aligned with him, dismissing the 1/6 committee's findings as a biased witch hunt. And prominent Fox News figures are still 100% in favor of Trump.

According to betting sites - whose livelihood depends on predicting outcomes of future events - Trump is still the forerunner - most likely to be the next US President.

And, the same mindset and sentiment that voted Trump into office in the first place is still alive and well. Should Trump become unelectable, that won't change this mindset at all. DeSantis or someone else will step up to fill the Trump void.

Real change, I think, will come about, only if America reforms the numerous problems associated with voting and with the way in which candidates for office are selected.

Jerrymandering needs to be reformed; closed primaries should be abolished; it should be legal for a neutral party to exist - whose sole purpose is to endorse candidates, either Republican or Democrat, that are most in alignment with their ideals (surprisingly this is currently illegal in many (most?) states); and what of the all-or-nothing voting adopted by many states for their electoral college votes?; and what of the existence of a senate? Political contribution reform is badly needed; too, unregulated propagation of disinformation needs to be reformed.

Whatever happens to Trump - America has numerous structural problems in the way that elections are conducted and in the way that votes are counted, some of which are outlined above. Until these structural issues are addressed, we'll see decisions made at the executive, legislative and judicial level contrary to popular belief of American citizens.

In short, until major reform is enacted, nothing's changed.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
As the 1/6 hearings draw to a close, what really has transpired?

The 1/6 committee has done a fantastic job, presenting evidence of a deranged Trump seeking to overturn the results of a free and fair election.

Ratings for the hearings have been high - so much of America has seen this.

Some Republican donors now seem less inclined to support Trump. And a few prominent Republican figures have changed their minds about Trump and have voiced concern about his 1/6 actions.

And yet...

Has anything really changed?

His base is still radically aligned with him, dismissing the 1/6 committee's findings as a biased witch hunt. And prominent Fox News figures are still 100% in favor of Trump.

According to betting sites - whose livelihood depends on predicting outcomes of future events - Trump is still the forerunner - most likely to be the next US President.

And, the same mindset and sentiment that voted Trump into office in the first place is still alive and well. Should Trump become unelectable, that won't change this mindset at all. DeSantis or someone else will step up to fill the Trump void.

Real change, I think, will come about, only if America reforms the numerous problems associated with voting and with the way in which candidates for office are selected.

Jerrymandering needs to be reformed; closed primaries should be abolished; it should be legal for a neutral party to exist - whose sole purpose is to endorse candidates, either Republican or Democrat, that are most in alignment with their ideals (surprisingly this is currently illegal in many (most?) states); and what of the all-or-nothing voting adopted by many states for their electoral college votes?; and what of the existence of a senate? Political contribution reform is badly needed; too, unregulated propagation of disinformation needs to be reformed.

Whatever happens to Trump - America has numerous structural problems in the way that elections are conducted and in the way that votes are counted, some of which are outlined above. Until these structural issues are addressed, we'll see decisions made at the executive, legislative and judicial level contrary to popular belief of American citizens.

In short, until major reform is enacted, nothing's changed.
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The hearings have killed him.



Without Murdochs backing, Donald Trump is nothing, and Rupert Murdoch just dumped him.

Also, the hearings aren’t finishing up, they’ve just announced more for September.

Garlands public comments and the DOJs active cases are showing us they are very clearly gearing up to charge Trump and it’s just a matter of letting it all play out.

So complaining that nothing has changed seems like the usual “dems do nothing” “both sides as bad as each other” eeyore shite.
 
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