Gas & Electricity

inbetween said:
Don't quote me on it but splitting tariffs might be something to look at and it has worked well for us. The reason why is you don't pay tons for gas over the summer which is lumped in with the electric usage. This is what I pay:

So energy standard variable (gas)
Unit rate - 7.32p/kWh
Standing charge - 27.21 p/day
DD = £20pm, £40pm over the winter (excl price cap change)

EON Next standard variable (electricity)
Unit rate = 28.02p/kWh
Standing charge = 42.24 p/day
DD = £59pm, shouldn't really change much over the winter (except for the price cap change)

total = £80pm at the moment, I'm reckoning and hoping that it will go to something less than £200pm with the price cap changes and increase in winter usage etc.

I'd suggest anyone with a smart meter to also try the app Loop Energy, it tells you exactly day by day how much you're using and how much each day is costing you. If you have solar panels you can also add these in and it simulates the reduction in your spend. We spend about £1-2 on electricity daily, one boil of the kettle makes up about 20p of that!
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Exactly the same per unit and standing charge rates I'm paying with Octopus. Unfortunately my usage is somewhat higher than yours.
 
BlueMoonday said:
Amazing how the government were able to source funds quick enough to pay their pals for whopping PPE contracts and apps which didn't work. On top of that they forked out for Furlough payments once they realised their mate's businesses would go under. Now that lower class are suffering they don't want to provide any help. Tories are cunts
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This isn't going to just affect the "lower class" though - millions further up the food chain will be feeling the hit too. The government will have to do something more than what they've already proposed whether they like it or not.
 
M18CTID said:
This isn't going to just affect the "lower class" though - millions further up the food chain will be feeling the hit too. The government will have to do something more than what they've already proposed whether they like it or not.
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Agreed, it is hitting everybody's pocket but more so the working classes where they physically can't afford these prices.
 
M18CTID said:
Not sure if this has been posted but some of the energy companies are suggesting a "deficit tariff scheme" which will enable bills to be frozen at the current price cap for 2 years. Reading between the lines, the consumer will foot all or most of the cost of the scheme (surprise surprise!) but it will be spread out over many years (10 to 15 years has been suggested for the bank loans to set up the scheme so probably something similar for us to pay it back) so it will be far easier to cope with than having to find the money for these huge price increases. Apparently something similar has been implemented in Spain:

www.theguardian.com

Industry unites behind plan for crisis fund to control soaring energy bills

A state-backed ‘deficit tariff scheme’ supported by banks would freeze energy bills at their current rate
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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How will this work if you change companies, will the debt follow you. How abou5 we cap it and the fucking greedy bastards take a hit on it. You can’t even shop around now so they’ve got you buy the balls, this government and labour to a degree have a lot to answer for if they never saw something like this coming.
 
Blue Maverick said:
How will this work if you change companies, will the debt follow you. How abou5 we cap it and the fucking greedy bastards take a hit on it. You can’t even shop around now so they’ve got you buy the balls, this government and labour to a degree have a lot to answer for if they never saw something like this coming.
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It's disgusting, you're basically taking a mortgage out on your energy bill!!! What happens if this goes on 2,3,4 years do we have to pay back over 25 years? Fucking joke.
 
Blue Maverick said:
How will this work if you change companies, will the debt follow you. How abou5 we cap it and the fucking greedy bastards take a hit on it. You can’t even shop around now so they’ve got you buy the balls, this government and labour to a degree have a lot to answer for if they never saw something like this coming.
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God knows mate. And you're right that the energy companies have to take a hit too - it's unfair to whack it all on us. I do think there's something useful in the idea though, but it clearly needs working on.
 
www.deegesolar.co.uk

Voltage Optimisers: How Do They Work & Are They Worth It?

A Voltage Optimiser such as the Eco-Max, is a hassle-free energy saving solution, capable of saving you up to 19% on your energy bills!
www.deegesolar.co.uk www.deegesolar.co.uk

Have any of you guys got one of these.
Supposed to save the voltage supplied and return back to the grid.
Electricity supplied normally around 240 volts but most electrical items are set at 220 volts so in theory you are drawing an extra 20 volts and wasting it.
 
My direct debit just went down after my month experiment of no lights and not leaving anything , bar the sky q box and tv ,plugged in when not in use , the chargers use energy if left plugged in even with no device attached , i can do it living alone so i am lucky in that way , monthly readings of course

i have been using my ceiling fan on the record breaking hot days so it will be interesting to see how much that has used , my shock will not be till i come off the fix in dec , hopefully the four hundred will really help me as a low user ,i am sorry for families that cant use less energy
 
The government can fix this if they want to. They could install solar panels for any house/roof space that wants them. It would be a similar cost to HS2 and they don't have to look into solar farms wasting valuable farm land. Also give set the export tariff to be the same cost as the import tariff. That should remove the need to use gas for electricity production completely which means the electricity prices should drop to next to nothing. Heating is a big problem though
 
Just had an email off octopus with a link to a tool that predices your bills. My dearest will be in Jan, a whopping £619 quid!! If I carry on paying £190 per month I'll be 2k in debt by next July. Staggering.
 
Massive gain in uk natural gas prices today up 7.5%. The energy price cap will just be going higher

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BerkshireBlue said:
The government can fix this if they want to. They could install solar panels for any house/roof space that wants them. It would be a similar cost to HS2 and they don't have to look into solar farms wasting valuable farm land. Also give set the export tariff to be the same cost as the import tariff. That should remove the need to use gas for electricity production completely which means the electricity prices should drop to next to nothing. Heating is a big problem though
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2nd Generation Air source heat pumps are much improved linked with solar will provide heating its where the money comes from to install or the capacity to manufacture is.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
The government can fix this if they want to. They could install solar panels for any house/roof space that wants them. It would be a similar cost to HS2 and they don't have to look into solar farms wasting valuable farm land. Also give set the export tariff to be the same cost as the import tariff. That should remove the need to use gas for electricity production completely which means the electricity prices should drop to next to nothing. Heating is a big problem though
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I’d happily have solar panels, the cost at the moment is expensive, government should be bringing back lots of grants and insisting EVERY new home has them fitted. The cost drops the more people have them, At the moment I think it’s about £6k for my house without battery, I’d probably get that back in 2 years at the moment it used to be 10/15 years but at these prices I’m seriously thinking of doing it. But we really need to save 20 mins on a trip to London instead dont we!
 
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Blue Maverick said:
I’d happily have solar panels, the cost at the moment is expensive, government should be bringing back lots of grants and insisting EVERY new home has them fitted. The cost drops the more people have them, At the moment I think it’s about £6k for my house without battery, I’d probably get that back in 2 years at the moment it used to be 10/15 years but at these prices I’m seriously thinking of doing it. But we really need to save 20 mins on a trip to London instead dont we!
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yeah which is why the government should pay for them. Cancel HS2 and give people solar panels instead. It's the same cost and given a vote of saving money on my electric bill or getting to London 20 minutes quicker I know which one I'd want
 
Blue Maverick said:
I’d happily have solar panels, the cost at the moment is expensive, government should be bringing back lots of grants and insisting EVERY new home has them fitted. The cost drops the more people have them, At the moment I think it’s about £6k for my house without battery, I’d probably get that back in 2 years at the moment it used to be 10/15 years but at these prices I’m seriously thinking of doing it. But we really need to save 20 mins on a trip to London instead dont we!
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They're not worth it without decent export tariffs or a battery. I've been playing around with the idea of getting an electric car but one that acts as a battery to power the home as well as being a car. Charge it up at night for 7p per Kwh and live off that for the day. I very rarely go on long trips away from home anymore so the car just sits there doing nothing. VTH is the technology that let's you do this and there's only a choice of around 6 cars I think. I've signed up for this trial https://www.indra.co.uk/ If I get selected I'll probably jump on it as I need a new car anyway
 
BerkshireBlue said:
yeah which is why the government should pay for them. Cancel HS2 and give people solar panels instead. It's the same cost and given a vote of saving money on my electric bill or getting to London 20 minutes quicker I know which one I'd want
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At least giving grants would go some way to helping towards the cost, maybe they need to get one of their friends to own a few of the companies ;)
 
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