bumbleblue
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The poor woman will blame herself forever whatever happened. Heartbreaking.
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Olivia’s killer guilty - Minimum of 42 years
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The poor woman will blame herself forever whatever happened. Heartbreaking.
It is. The scumbag who fired the shots should never see daylight again. Society needs to sort itself out. Harsh mandatory sentences for people carrying knives and guns. Even harsher ones for those using them.
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In the heat of all that was going on - How did the car driver know where to pick his mate up?
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Lawless bunch of feral cunts - in 24 hrs the wrong person - an innocent young woman - was shot dead and a mother was wounded and a 9 year old shot dead on the15th anniversary of the shooting of another kid - doncha love that Liverpudlian likeable cheekiness? The sooner they get their wish and leave the UK to become their own republic the better - build a wall at the Rocket roundabout and keep the fuckers in.
Can you really guarantee that? I mean, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility but you have to be a bit of a hard faced **** to go straight to that conclusion without any real evidence.i’ll guarantee said 35yo is mums new partner…. where’s poor little girls dad in all this???!
The rest of the conversation on this thread is basically people pissing in the wind in regards to the drugs issue.
Thinking what’s happening now is better than a legalised system shows how out of date some are.
It’s a real issue that as it stands will cause far more damage to society than trying to come up with different approaches.
Drugs are here to stay. That’s the long and short of it.
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Presumably he phoned a friend, he might have already done it before they went in the kids house, as it sounds like the incident started a good way down the street.In the heat of all that was going on - How did the car driver know where to pick his mate up?
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I'm not sure we "know" it's drug related right now, however likely that seems to be.Can you really guarantee that? I mean, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility but you have to be a bit of a hard faced **** to go straight to that conclusion without any real evidence.
The rest of the conversation on this thread is basically people pissing in the wind in regards to the drugs issue.
Thinking what’s happening now is better than a legalised system shows how out of date some are.
It’s a real issue that as it stands will cause far more damage to society than trying to come up with different approaches.
Drugs are here to stay. That’s the long and short of it.
In the heat of all that was going on - How did the car driver know where to pick his mate up?
Interesting question unless he phoned them.
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His mate would've had to have had some previous knowledge of the house/road. Especially as they were both approached by the gunman away from the property, in an alleyway.Interesting question unless he phoned them.
Who would have the presence of mind, in that situation, to clock the address/ house, pick up the car and return to rescue a mate in a hail of gunfire. ?
His mate would've had to have had some previous knowledge of the house/road. Especially as they were both approached by the gunman away from the property, in an alleyway.
Who would have the presence of mind, in that situation, to clock the address/ house, pick up the car and return to rescue a mate in a hail of gunfire. ?
They're probably local i knew every shortcut and most of the families and where they lived in my area of Wythenshawe as a youngster. Like a few here I still think the police aren't divulging all the information.
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Some very horrible replies in this thread, esp Sutty66.Tragic whatever happened but that door would have been slammed shut sharpish, mind you people often freeze when confronted with something violent or unusual.
Scousers are more rooted in the "Don't grass" culture than most other people I know and you'd think on that basis alone you'd keep your door shut and head down. Sadly it's done now.
The police themselves say she struggled with the first man trying to get in and really fought to get the door shut, but he forced his way in, and that after that the gunman just got his fingertips in and forced it open. She fought them. Can people stop gossiping. She fought to keep the first man out in the first place, the family did not know any of them.
As for some posters acting like she must've seen them running towards her so why not shut it sooner - a beam of light from a door is much more visible to someone running towards it than that person dressed all in black would be to the mum in the doorway. And running from the side not front on, so fast, she wouldn't have known , but she fought.
Show some respect , have you seen the family photo. I know it's easy on this forum to think of people as feral, but the mum looks lovely, normal, kind, just a normal good family. My heart aches for them.
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In the heat of all that was going on - How did the car driver know where to pick his mate up?
There were two of them being chased, it would seem the one a bit further back saw it and rang them.
I wish people would stop with the insinuating.
Where's the shock, the empathy and sympathy - so many busy pointing fingers instead.
Some very horrible replies in this thread, esp Sutty66.
The police themselves say she struggled with the first man trying to get in and really fought to get the door shut, and that the gunman just got his fingertips in and forced it open. She fought them. Can people stop gossiping. She fought to keep the first man out in the first place, the family did not know any of them.
As for some posters acting like she must be seen them running towards her so why not shut it sooner - a beam of light from a door is much more visible to someone running towards it than that person dressed all in black would be to the mum in the doorway. And running from the side not front on, so fast, she wouldn't have known , but she fought.
Show some respect , have you seen the family photo. I know it's easy on this forum to think of people as feral, but the mum looks lovely, normal, kind, just a normal good family. My heart aches for them.
Nobody I have seen has described her or her family as feral. I don't know that area of Liverpool, whether it's classed as good or bad, it matters not a jot. I do know however what it's like to be stigmatized for where you live, growing up in Benchill Wythenshawe. My mates house got robbed and the copper who came to investigate said he had no idea why decent people like them lived there. Like people could magic up a potload of money and move to Wilmslow or Alderly Edge. If I got a taxi home from a night out as soon as I said the address I had to pay before the driver would take me. It was a known fact that job applications with a Wythenshawe postcode often went straight in the bin. I once phoned the police as I watched the kids outside dismantling a car that nobody recognised. The policewoman said to me, "How do you know it's stolen, did you steal it?" I was home on leave from the navy at the time and she soon got a piece of my mind.
All is we are doing is speculating on what COULD have happened and in spite of the poor woman being naïve to open the door at 10pm.no blame is attached to her but to the scumbags who brought death to her house.
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Insinuating what? One of them ran into the house, the other got the car, waltzed pass the injured mother and critically wounded child and dragged his mate off to hospital.There were two of them being chased, it would seem the one a bit further back saw it and rang them.
I wish people would stop with the insinuating.
Its an absolutely horrific chain of events with the tragic loss of a young girls life. But the driver and his mate, it would appear, at this stage to be familiar with the address.
If you’re not in, or have never been in that situation yourself, it is impossible to say accurately how you would act.
True, it all happens very fast. When confronted with something threatening or unusual people often freeze in shock. In disasters crowds often carry on as normal as their brains can't process they are in a life threatening situation. They look for someone to take the lead and if nobody is they carry on regardless, even though a part of their brain is screaming that something is wrong.
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Insinuating what? One of them ran into the house, the other got the car, waltzed pass the injured mother and critically wounded child and dragged his mate off to hospital.
Its an absolutely horrific chain of events with the tragic loss of a young girls life. But the driver and his mate, it would appear, at this stage to be familiar with the address.
You're insinuating the driver and his mate knew the family, you state that above. Despite the police saying a second man being was being chased and likely saw it and rang his mates. They knew the street name as they were in the next street, yet you say it means they knew the house. the poster Sutty even says she's likely his girlfriend ffs. I'm logging off. Carry on.
I don't know why people have kids nowadays
Honestly
The world is an absolutely merciless place
It's driving people mental
The future for tomorrow's generation is very bleak indeed. Actually it's not that great now. I guess the lucky ones with parents who own their own house may be okay, but I'm sure by the time they come to inherit that some law would have been passed that fucks that up.
I’ve got no doubt it’s drug related. My issue was with the absolutism from a poster who knows fuck all but is happy to give his view on the situation.I'm not sure we "know" it's drug related right now, however likely that seems to be.
Just to be clear, from seeing @sutty66 posts in the past, I already know he’s a ****.