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if Trippier pulls Kev's arm and "tactically fouls" him then he gets a yellow. Must be a next level of punishment up for throwing yourself at someone.
 
Jam Tomorrow said:
My last word on the red that never was, KDB is far too honest, if he had done a few rolls and stayed down and waited for the trainers, as those fuckers would have done, the card would have stayed red.
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Disagree. The referee changed his mind purely on the contact and VaR didn’t show after the challenge.
 
mrbelfry said:
if Trippier pulls Kev's arm and "tactically fouls" him then he gets a yellow. Must be a next level of punishment up for throwing yourself at someone.
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I was thinking the same - should have been two yellows really, one for the tactical foul, the other for the reckless challenge. So red card on the day, but only a one match ban.
 
bluealf said:
Odd?

After all this time you still think it odd that VAR sees stuff against City differently.
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I know it’s a tough job, being a ref/VAR, and mistakes will be made. Every club has several incidents a season where their fans feel the wrong decision has been made. I also know, like those fans, I’m very biased. I’m holding on to these facts being the reason why I think City are constantly screwed over by dodgy decisions - it’s my perception that’s wrong, and the refs are just making the same mistakes they do with every club.

I don’t like to dwell on your alternative hypothesis that the football establishment really is out to get us, but it certainly does seem like that sometimes. Still, I can’t recall any other example of a player being “sent on” after VAR reviewed a flying red-card tackle like that one (airborne with clear contact with the player, and none with the ball), so I have to accept your hypothesis has more evidence to support it than mine.
 
Vic said:
Show us the front angle.
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In case you can’t see the video:
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And the definition of serious foul play:

Serious foul play

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
 
Chris B said:
In case you can’t see the video:
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And the definition of serious foul play:

Serious foul play

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
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Looking at that it is hard to believe the VAR story that Trippier's boot caught de Bruyne on the shin. Unless he has a very strange running action, he is already on the way down there and the boot is still knee high.

If that was the knee of his standing leg, it could have been nasty, and Trippier had no way of knowing which leg he was hitting. Red card all day for me. Endangering the safety of an opponent (Unless, of course, the referee guidelines say you can only endanger an opponent with studs up. And who can answer that?).
 
Chris B said:
In case you can’t see the video:
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And the definition of serious foul play:

Serious foul play

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
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No, can't see the video in the UK, but have seen the still. It was the camera angle from behind the goal that looked the worst (Sky showed it during the game but not in their highlights.) I'll look at the City+ full match. (Also to see why Cancelo got booked - it would have to be bad as now it shouldn't be a caution if advantage is played.)
 
Chris B said:
Just watched the replay of this game and I’m amazed the decision was overturned. Trippier was flying with both feet off the ground and made contact around knee high or a bit above.

Like you said, it looks worse the more you see it on the replays. Really odd that VAR sees that and thinks that is obviously an error and the ref needs to look at it again. I honestly think the ref must’ve been thinking “why are they asking me to change this - it’s clearly a red?”.
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On the refs chat forum, someone says Banks (the VAR) missed two red cards in his last live game. Most refs are calling red, and certainly can't see it as a "clear and obvious error".
 
Vic said:
No, can't see the video in the UK, but have seen the still. It was the camera angle from behind the goal that looked the worst (Sky showed it during the game but not in their highlights.) I'll look at the City+ full match. (Also to see why Cancelo got booked - it would have to be bad as now it shouldn't be a caution if advantage is played.)
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Could be this one?056B8046-B3E7-4E0A-A0B7-C6110A4C1193.jpeg
Looks bad from every angle to be honest! It was on 74 mins if that helps you find it.
 
hammocity said:
A lot more than hundreds of thousands, a total of 4.7 billion viewers of last seasons Premier League, about 150 games were broadcast live, equates to an average of around 30m per match, 188 of 193 countries in the world broadcast Premier League games.
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And that’s without the illicit streaming!
 
halfcenturyup said:
Looking at that it is hard to believe the VAR story that Trippier's boot caught de Bruyne on the shin. Unless he has a very strange running action, he is already on the way down there and the boot is still knee high.

If that was the knee of his standing leg, it could have been nasty, and Trippier had no way of knowing which leg he was hitting. Red card all day for me. Endangering the safety of an opponent (Unless, of course, the referee guidelines say you can only endanger an opponent with studs up. And who can answer that?).
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VAR said he caught him on the shin. Can I ask where this was reported?
 
Chris B said:
Just watched the replay of this game and I’m amazed the decision was overturned. Trippier was flying with both feet off the ground and made contact around knee high or a bit above.

Like you said, it looks worse the more you see it on the replays. Really odd that VAR sees that and thinks that is obviously an error and the ref needs to look at it again. I honestly think the ref must’ve been thinking “why are they asking me to change this - it’s clearly a red?”.
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Would it have been overturned by if Fernandinho had done it? Doubt the VAR officials could even send the Ref to the screen whilst busy unzipping
 
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The Future’s Blue! said:
VAR said he caught him on the shin. Can I ask where this was reported?
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It's a way down the page. I will edit this post with the relevant sentence when I am back on my laptop, but it is there if you look for it. At the bottom it says the article is compiled with input from the PL and PGMOL, so I can only imagine this is where he gets that view from.

www.espn.co.uk

Trippier's red card and marginal offsides headline the VAR Review

We take a look at the weekend's big VAR talking points in the Premier League, featuring a pulsating game between Newcastle and Man City.
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Edit: here it is:

"Gillett, who was on the blind side to the tackle, believed there had been studs-on-knee contact by Trippier, but the replays showed that wasn't the case and the foul was the top of the Newcastle defender's boot onto the bottom of De Bruyne's shin."

I think the explanation in the referees' forum, that this would be a red card in any other jurisdiction and Gillett has obviously ref'd most of the time in Australia, is more likely. Basically, he would have been told "that's not how we do it here". But who knows, if we don't hear what was said?

Incidentally, the refs on the forum seem to be split as we are: red, not red and once given as red no C&O reason to correct. Most refs think this sort of SFP should be red, but that the current laws and PL guidelines try to avoid reds for that sort of challenge. They made the point that, if that happened in a Sunday league game, the only way to avoid a mass brawl would be a red card.

It's actually hopeless. What chance do fans have, when referees can't even agree on a matter of serious foul play? Not to mention why the PL should be different from every other major league.
 
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Just watched our third goal again and it's even better than I realised at the time.

The vision from De Bruyne to see the pass, weight it perfectly and nutmeg the Newcastle player from that distance which he clearly meant was just world class.

Then the first touch from Bernardo and the deft finish without looking whilst the keeper was bearing down on him was a lot harder than he made it look.

It's not going to win goal of the season or anything but you'll be hard pressed to find another goal with more quality than was shown in those few seconds.
 
David El Mago Silva said:
Just watched our third goal again and it's even better than I realised at the time.

The vision from De Bruyne to see the pass, weight it perfectly and nutmeg the Newcastle player from that distance which he clearly meant was just world class.

Then the first touch from Bernardo and the deft finish without looking whilst the keeper was bearing down on him was a lot harder than he made it look.

It's not going to win goal of the season or anything but you'll be hard pressed to find another goal with more quality than was shown in those few seconds.
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We were in the front row Sunday some of the geordies turned around and were applauding that goal . Great goal Pure class
 
halfcenturyup said:
"Gillett, who was on the blind side to the tackle, believed there had been studs-on-knee contact by Trippier, but the replays showed that wasn't the case and the foul was the top of the Newcastle defender's boot onto the bottom of De Bruyne's shin."
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“Bottom of De Bruyne’s shin?”. I know this isn’t you saying the above, but it was clearly boot to knee, so that’s a revision of history. Admittedly there were no studs involved in the contact, but a clout on the knee with someone’s boot is obviously dangerous.

They’ll make anything up to try cover themselves. There’s perhaps an argument to give a yellow originally (all these rules are open to interpretation), but having given a red no one can seriously claim it was a clear and obvious error.
 
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