Running thread

Ilovehappyendings said:
Started running again about 2 months ago after about 20 years. I'd moved to cycling/swimming/weights because of shin splints. Felt great for a bit. Did all the right things. Stretching, compression socks, new Brooks. Running machine only. Then probably started doing too much too soon, despite knowing not too. Probably 6km +
Now I feel like I have Plantar fascitis in my left foot and my right ankle has blown up a couple of times.
I even missed the Bournemouth game because I couldn't walk. FFS. And this was just from 'pushing off' in the swimming pool.
I have a biomechanical assessment on Friday. I probably already know the answer too, that I overpronate
I don't want to go down the route of orthotics or inserts. Done all that. I'd rather go with strengthing and flexibility.
Any tips?
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I'd start by getting rid of the compression socks. Also, what stretches are you doing? This could have led to your injury. Are you sure that you're doing 'all the right things'?
 
SalfordGrimble said:
What do people listen to to zone out on their runs?

I find it difficult to run unless I have zoned out and I need music to achieve that, only issue is I get bored listening to the same albums/playlist successively. Any suggestions?
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Try listen to undr the cosh podcast. Usually over an hour long, plenty of episodes on Spotify with some good ex footballers
 
Stuuuuuu said:
I'd start by getting rid of the compression socks. Also, what stretches are you doing? This could have led to your injury. Are you sure that you're doing 'all the right things'?
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Good point. I hiked a lot earlier this year without compression socks. No problem.

I guess after 40+ years of sports and fitness and rehab, you build up a certain level of knowledge. But I am always looking to learn.
I guess by doing the right things I meant. Lost weight first, strength training, built cardio fitness up hiking, swimming 4-5 miles week, QL stretching, glute strengthing, band stretches, hip flexor stretches, foam rolling, trigger point massage with a lacrosse ball etc
So basically I didn't just start running after lying on a couch
I'll see how this assessment goes on Friday ....
 
Paladin said:
My last shoes were On Cloudtec. £140, and I got about 500km out of them. I told the girl in the running shop that they always wear out on the outside of my heels (left more than right) and she told me for the first time that I might be over pronating.

I used to get around 800km when I used Brooks shoes, so I've gone back to them. As most of my running is on footpaths (roads) does anyone know if it would be better for me to get trail shoes, with a harder, longer lasting sole? Or are they not as comfortable on footpaths?
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To be honest if I was running on roads I would stick with road shoes. The lugs on trail shoes can make using trails on roads uncomfortable.

For example my go to durable, long distance trail running shoe is the Brooks Cascadia 15, absolutely fantastic but I ran on a predominamtly road/gravel trail two weeks ago and my feet ached for days.

I also have worn on cloud shoes and I similarly did not find them particularly robust.
 
Ilovehappyendings said:
Good point. I hiked a lot earlier this year without compression socks. No problem.

I guess after 40+ years of sports and fitness and rehab, you build up a certain level of knowledge. But I am always looking to learn.
I guess by doing the right things I meant. Lost weight first, strength training, built cardio fitness up hiking, swimming 4-5 miles week, QL stretching, glute strengthing, band stretches, hip flexor stretches, foam rolling, trigger point massage with a lacrosse ball etc
So basically I didn't just start running after lying on a couch
I'll see how this assessment goes on Friday ....
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Sounds good. It's great to build up some strength, lose weight and build up cardio fitness gradually.

It may be worth noting that some of the knowledge from the past 40 years has been debunked, i.e. there appears to be no decent evidence for any positive impact from foam rolling etc. More importantly, static stretching prior to a run has been found to increase the chance of injury and poor performance. Crazy to think that it was standard procedure for everyone to to use static stretches before sporting activity. I still see it being done in schools and even in hospitals!
 
MCFCFanTX said:
Sounds good. It's great to build up some strength, lose weight and build up cardio fitness gradually.

It may be worth noting that some of the knowledge from the past 40 years has been debunked, i.e. there appears to be no decent evidence for any positive impact from foam rolling etc. More importantly, static stretching prior to a run has been found to increase the chance of injury and poor performance. Crazy to think that it was standard procedure for everyone to to use static stretches before sporting activity. I still see it being done in schools and even in hospitals!
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Quite the controversial opinion that mate, no doubt you have researched it, from a personal point of view, the foam rolling and stretching (when I can be bothered to do it) does help with recovery, surely as its still being used by elite athletes, should point us to being in the for camp rather than the against?
Yep I know we are not all elite athletes, but I find it interesting that your in the debunk camp as your one of the most knowledgeable posters on this thread
 
franksinatra said:
The Nicky Weaver one is a classic. I also listen to them while running. Usually start 6 minutes in so don't have to listen to the preamble about manscape and Athletic greens.
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They've got a new season out now so should be more episodes. Weavers is class, loads of others Crossley speaking about clough made me laugh out loud.

Jeff Winter the ex ref has a top episode aswel
 
gaz76 said:
Quite the controversial opinion that mate, no doubt you have researched it, from a personal point of view, the foam rolling and stretching (when I can be bothered to do it) does help with recovery, surely as its still being used by elite athletes, should point us to being in the for camp rather than the against?
Yep I know we are not all elite athletes, but I find it interesting that your in the debunk camp as your one of the most knowledgeable posters on this thread
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Hi Gaz.

I feel that if something appears to be working for someone, then fair enough. I don't mean to tell people what to do so apologies if I come across that way.

Regarding foam rolling, it may just be that the evidence is yet to emerge (or I haven't read it) but I couldn't find anything decent last time I looked. Clearly a lot of people do it and they have a perceived benefit so for dos.
 
Stuuuuuu said:
Hi Gaz.

I feel that if something appears to be working for someone, then fair enough. I don't mean to tell people what to do so apologies if I come across that way.

Regarding foam rolling, it may just be that the evidence is yet to emerge (or I haven't read it) but I couldn't find anything decent last time I looked. Clearly a lot of people do it and they have a perceived benefit so for dos.
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Don't be daft mate, no need for an apology as you didn't come across as telling people what to do.
I'm more just interested in weighing up the pros and cons of it, I always thought that it helped to get rid of lactic acid and reduce muscle soreness.
 
Ilovehappyendings said:
Started running again about 2 months ago after about 20 years. I'd moved to cycling/swimming/weights because of shin splints. Felt great for a bit. Did all the right things. Stretching, compression socks, new Brooks. Running machine only. Then probably started doing too much too soon, despite knowing not too. Probably 6km +
Now I feel like I have Plantar fascitis in my left foot and my right ankle has blown up a couple of times.
I even missed the Bournemouth game because I couldn't walk. FFS. And this was just from 'pushing off' in the swimming pool.
I have a biomechanical assessment on Friday. I probably already know the answer too, that I overpronate
I don't want to go down the route of orthotics or inserts. Done all that. I'd rather go with strengthing and flexibility.
Any tips?
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Plantar fasciitis is a pain in the arse, there’s really no better rehab than a good old fashioned tennis ball for it.
 
Originals said:
They've got a new season out now so should be more episodes. Weavers is class, loads of others Crossley speaking about clough made me laugh out loud.

Jeff Winter the ex ref has a top episode aswel
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Will have to relisten to the Crossley one. If memory serves me correct he gave Crossley a car bought for his daughter?? Kevin Campbell also tells a few great Cloughie stories on his episode.
 
Ilovehappyendings said:
Started running again about 2 months ago after about 20 years. I'd moved to cycling/swimming/weights because of shin splints. Felt great for a bit. Did all the right things. Stretching, compression socks, new Brooks. Running machine only. Then probably started doing too much too soon, despite knowing not too. Probably 6km +
Now I feel like I have Plantar fascitis in my left foot and my right ankle has blown up a couple of times.
I even missed the Bournemouth game because I couldn't walk. FFS. And this was just from 'pushing off' in the swimming pool.
I have a biomechanical assessment on Friday. I probably already know the answer too, that I overpronate
I don't want to go down the route of orthotics or inserts. Done all that. I'd rather go with strengthing and flexibility.
Any tips?
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Did you do much walking before getting injured? I'm thinking countryside, fell or hill walking? I'm thinking it's weight bearing gentle exercise to strengthen bones, tendons muscles.

When you recover from injury try hill walking then maybe progress to trail running..uphill? Gentle grass slopes etc.

Good luck.
 
5 miles after work. Meant to go this morning but had thunder and lightning along with torrential rain. Logged in and started work early so could finish at 4. Tried my best to talk myself out of it, making loads of excuses not to go. Got ready saying I'll aim for 5 but do whatever I feel like and ended up doing the 5.
 
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