The Conservative Party

Kevinblue10 said:
Think he's getting a bit hysterical to be honest ....needs to calm down..back in 1960s most people didn't have central heating
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It was a grand time to be alive. Now pass me my nebuliser.

Hansard 15 March 1960 vol 619 cc1124-8

"There are in this country today no fewer than 12 million domestic and portable oil heaters in regular use. Of that 12 million, about 9 million are of the safer convector type and about 3 million are of the drip-feed radiant type with which, we are led to believe, special hazards are associated.

"The record of accidents is very grave indeed. For example, it is recorded that in 1956 there were 1,202 fires in homes in this country caused by these domestic oil heaters. In 1958, the last year for which figures are available, the number had risen to 4,464 such fires."


Sood A. Indoor fuel exposure and the lung in both developing and developed countries: an update. Clin Chest Med. 2012 Dec;33(4):649-65. doi: 10.1016/j.ccm.2012.08.003. PMID: 23153607; PMCID: PMC3500516.

"Indoor air pollution from solid fuel use is strongly associated with COPD (both emphysema and chronic bronchitis), acute respiratory tract infections, and lung cancer (primarily coal use) and weakly associated with asthma, tuberculosis, and interstitial lung disease."
 

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Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’ll cause us to be as green as we can be as most will do all of the above (barring the fridge/freezer).

Maybe keeping your tv off will make more time for reading books.

When you’re finished, lob it on the fire.
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Unless it’s one of the appalling Dorries woman’s epics.
In which case, just lob it on the fire straight away.
 
Kevinblue10 said:
To be fair mate if i was really pushed i could just cancel sky tv and netflix...just go and watch any games in the pub....are people really struggling if they still have sky tv??
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You're doing a bit, aren't you? Surprised you didn't throw in avocado toast and Starbucks in there though. Must try harder.
 
Kevinblue10 said:
To be fair mate if i was really pushed i could just cancel sky tv and netflix...just go and watch any games in the pub....are people really struggling if they still have sky tv??
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Why should anyone have to go without/see a drop in their standards of living purely so people who already have more money than they could ever possibly need can have more? I'd understand these arguments if there was a national effort required by everybody for the common good, but this is purely an exercise in funnelling money up from the bottom of society to the top. People who work full time jobs in one of the world's biggest economies in 2022 should have enough disposable income to actually enjoy their lives outside of work. Also, regarding watching games in a pub - drinks cost money too.
 
Shows how out of touch the tories are . Absolute bunch of arrogant public school boys and girls . They won’t go cold this winter or have to sacrifice the things they enjoy . Despise them .
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Well said Mr Zahawi, to cut your fuel bills....wait for it......use less. Wonderful. If only we had known that.
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Interesting point about using less is than even if you do, the government forced the suppliers to offset the cost of the companies that went bust against us, the public. My daily charge was 18p a day which then quickly changed to 48p a day, which was an increase of over £100.00 per year.

Doesn‘t sound much but it all adds up.
 
Kevinblue10 said:
To be fair mate if i was really pushed i could just cancel sky tv and netflix...just go and watch any games in the pub....are people really struggling if they still have sky tv??
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Fuck me , Netflix £10 a month and Sky probably on average £80 a month , I do wish the working class would stop taking the piss with such luxuries . At times posters stupidity knows no bounds .
 
paulchapo said:
Brilliant, well said that woman. They crap themselves when they meet everyday people who tell them how it is.

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Thing is it's worse than that, it's not just that they are neglectful. It's deliberate vandalism. They actively hate the NHS and what it stands for, they hate social care and services because they hate the state. They hate them because they represent collective responsibility and action and the concept of taking care of each other rather than yourself. They don't understand people who get up in the morning whose first thoughts might be focused on helping someone else rather than increasing their own power or self-enrichment. Actually it's more than they don't understand them, I think I'm some ways they fear them because despite getting high on their Ayn Rand pseudo philosophy, deep down in the vestiges of what's left of their souls they know the vast majority of people in the NHS and social care are significantly better, more decent, more moral human beings than they. They know the values those people display day in day out reflect the best of us and they know they themselves are lacking and broken in the ways that really count. But rather than confront their own moral voids they seek to destroy the light that illuminates their own inadequacies, like vampires trying to block out the sun.

For all it's issues, the NHS is more than an institution, it says something about our outlook as a nation, it says something about our collective identity. It's on its knees because they want it on its knees, what WE let happen to it next will tell you everything you need to know about the future of the UK.
 
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Mon Autre said:
Why should anyone have to go without/see a drop in their standards of living purely so people who already have more money than they could ever possibly need can have more? I'd understand these arguments if there was a national effort required by everybody for the common good, but this is purely an exercise in funnelling money up from the bottom of society to the top. People who work full time jobs in one of the world's biggest economies in 2022 should have enough disposable income to actually enjoy their lives outside of work. Also, regarding watching games in a pub - drinks cost money too.
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Been saying this for ages, a gold Rolex watch is a luxury not £80 to £100 a month for Sky/Netflix. People work all week and can have some escapism at home. People shouldn’t be made to feel guilty by spending some of their hard earned money on quality tv. What’s the alternative? Graft all week then return home to read Oliver Twist by candlelight for an evening’s entertainment! Most people just want enough money that allows them not to worry when their next bill comes in or have enough to put away for a holiday etc whilst residing in one of the world’s richest countries this really shouldn’t be too much to ask.
 
Scaley said:
Been saying this for ages, a gold Rolex watch is a luxury not £80 to £100 a month for Sky/Netflix. People work all week and can have some escapism at home. People shouldn’t be made to feel guilty by spending some of their hard earned money on quality tv. What’s the alternative? Graft all week then return home to read Oliver Twist by candlelight for an evening’s entertainment! Most people just want enough money that allows them not to worry when their next bill comes in or have enough to put away for a holiday etc whilst residing in one of the world’s richest countries this really shouldn’t be too much to ask.
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This.
Some people just don't engage their brain before they open their disengaged mouth holes.
Goes back to the quotes on art, painting and music making the human experience worthwhile.

There's only so much walking in nature and reading of books you can do. We need other experiences.
 
Scaley said:
Been saying this for ages, a gold Rolex watch is a luxury not £80 to £100 a month for Sky/Netflix. People work all week and can have some escapism at home. People shouldn’t be made to feel guilty by spending some of their hard earned money on quality tv. What’s the alternative? Graft all week then return home to read Oliver Twist by candlelight for an evening’s entertainment! Most people just want enough money that allows them not to worry when their next bill comes in or have enough to put away for a holiday etc whilst residing in one of the world’s richest countries this really shouldn’t be too much to ask.
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Sky and Netflix are the new flat screen TV to be used to castigate the poor from having any disposable income to spend on their own enjoyment
 
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