Ref Watch

Phil1 said:
Then ignore me, it’s late and I’m getting grief off my missus for arguing on a Saturday night in the bar with strangers on the internet!! Haha! She’ll understand one day..
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Narrator: She never understood.

;-)
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I guess the thing I’m saying is that the players that stopped probably had no bearing on what happened. It’d have been down to the “much maligned” Ederson.
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From where I was it looked like he threw a token hand up to stop it but wasn’t arsed as he knew it was chalked off either way. It certainly want a ‘disallowed’ goal in that sense but yeah, we will never know and after I go to sleep tonight I doubt I’ll give it another seconds thought.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Lots of variables there mate.

There’s a chance that they may be corrupt at each variance.
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Phil1 said:
From where I was it looked like he threw a token hand up to stop it but wasn’t arsed as he knew it was chalked off either way. It certainly want a ‘disallowed’ goal in that sense but yeah, we will never know and after I go to sleep tonight I doubt I’ll give it another seconds thought.
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Me neither, apart from in the Ederson thread when it’s used against him at a further point.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It’s an unknown. We can say what we think. The bloke scored off the bar. He might not have done, but its not impossible.
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It's not an "unkown" though, the whistle went, and all our players stopped caring, and VAR couldn't do anything as a result.

I've aleady said the lino got it wrong, but the indication to the ref made him blow the whistle, last season, the lino wouldn't have flagged, the ref wouldn't have blown the whistle, and (you like to think) our players would have carried on defending, and the chance of a "goal" would have been slim.
 
cleavers said:
It's not an "unkown" though, the whistle went, and all our players stopped caring, and VAR couldn't do anything as a result.

I've aleady said the lino got it wrong, but the indication to the ref made him blow the whistle, last season, the lino wouldn't have flagged, the ref wouldn't have blown the whistle, and (you like to think) our players would have carried on defending, and the chance of a "goal" would have been slim.
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How is it not an unknown?

What would have happened if the whistle hadn’t blown?

The Cancelo goal against WBA is a direct reference.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
How is it not an unknown?

What would have happened if the whistle hadn’t blown?
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Well of course it's "unkown" the whistle did blow, and all our players stopped caring at that point.

Even coutinho just hit it knowing it wouldn't matter, and the villa fans didn't even cheer much as they had heard the whistle stopping the game.
 
warringtonblue said:
I’m not saying we didn’t contribute to not winning today but I was there and seen their keeper telling the ball boys to refrain from getting the ball back quick, he also had a drink before numerous dead ball kicks and then late in the game went down with a fictitious injury that entailed throwing the ball out so he could receive attention for this supposed injury.
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We don't see that kind of stuff from TV as they pad it all out with replays.
 
The standard of refereeing is reaching crisis levels.

Was there a single game this weekend where the refs and/or VAR didn’t make a big mistake?
 
ChicagoBlue said:
The standard of refereeing is reaching crisis levels.

Was there a single game this weekend where the refs and/or VAR didn’t make a big mistake?
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Not really. And the frequency of “mistakes” appears to be increasing with the new batch of officials and *certain* members of the old guard taking over VAR.

Of course, it’s all incompetence, nothing more, and will continue to be merely incompetence, even if it becomes a feature of every match in the future.

After all, the league have no power whatsoever to address the incompetence or make officiating (including VAR) more transparent. If they could, they would, but they can’t. The incompetence is a force of nature; human error—no matter how prevalent or egregious or seemingly mitigatible to reasonable observers—cannot be fixed.

It is a force of nature in football.

Inmutable. Unassailable. Eternal.

We fans must except this and understand the league are powerless to oppose it.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Sure and I don’t either, but had the ref not blown, we’d have conceded unless Ederson had switched on in that moment.
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And if my auntie (not that I've got many left) had balls, she'd be my uncle.
The last few pages have been pure conjecture, based on whataboutery.
The linesman flagged for offside, the referee blew his whistle, the game stopped.
End of story. Move on.
 
crazyg said:
And if my auntie (not that I've got many left) had balls, she'd be my uncle.
The last few pages have been pure conjecture, based on whataboutery.
The linesman flagged for offside, the referee blew his whistle, the game stopped.
End of story. Move on.
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Awesome comparison. Not relevant, but awesome.
 
jamielowndes said:
Because the referees lean on it too much and the actual video referees miss blatantly obvious stuff.

Their video referral procedure still absolutely destroys football for efficiency and transparency. TV (and occasionally live) audiences can hear exactly what the ref is having reviewed as well as the video refs input. Not to mention the footage being reviewed is on the screen for the fans to see.

Other sports not being perfect with video referral doesn't mean football should just be left as is when the VAR system is flagrantly awful.
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My point is that the only sport where video assistance has more less removed controversy is tennis. And that’s because it is dealing with matter of fact line decisions. The same way as goal line technology has, bar one incident, had the same effect in football.

The NFL for example have been tinkering with it for nearly 50 years and they still can’t settle on a way of working it that keeps everyone happy.

The thing with football is it has more decisions that are a matter of opinion rather than matters of fact than any other sport. You can prove if a ball has hit someone’s arm or not but no technology in the world can stop disagreement on whether it was deliberate.

Bottom line is if VAR and football are still going in a hundred years, people will still be arguing about it.
 
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