VAR thread 2022/23

[mat]

VAR don’t have any outside influences. So no commentary. No knowledge of what replays TV are deciding to show. Some people on here don’t believe that fact but there’s not much argument you can put up to counter someone who thinks everything is one big conspiracy.

Is that you Frank?

Tell me how you know this for certain?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

VAR don’t have any outside influences. So no commentary. No knowledge of what replays TV are deciding to show. Some people on here don’t believe that fact but there’s not much argument you can put up to counter someone who thinks everything is one big conspiracy.

You can’t say that. VAR is open to all sorts of potential manipulation and corruption. This can be proved as there’s always been corruption and manipulation in the game. Professional data gatherers say so, so who are we to disagree?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

We know that the TV producers and VAR officials are in contact with each other but we just don't know the extent of the interaction. For me the biggest issue is how they decide whch incidents to review. Some are looked at while others are ignored and it seems as if the broadcasters have some influence in this area. The lack of transparency in the process is a disgrace. Why aren't the paying customers shown what happens in the VAR room? We don't get to see how it works even after the match has finished. You can't trust this process if you can't see and hear it.

Do we? At present, the commentators can hear what VAR are saying. They can’t speak to them.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Is that you Frank?

Tell me how you know this for certain?

That’s what fans were told when it first came in.

Can you say for sure that he’s wrong?

 

[inchy14]

Do we? At present, the commentators can hear what VAR are saying. They can’t speak to them.

How do you know that? And if they can only hear them but not speak to them why not broadcast what’s being said?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

How do you know that? And if they can only hear them but not speak to them why not broadcast what’s being said?

It’s what the said when it first came in.

It’s another one of these areas that people can decide that is happening with no proof.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Put simply . Ruined the game I once loved.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Anyone ever wonder if VAR officials are influenced by TV commentators? For example Neville would often say "ooohh that looks bad". Remember few seasons ago, VVD tackle on Everton striker about to shoot on goal (fucking lifted him out of it) and Spitty saying "theres nothing in that" VAR never awarded penalty!!!?

Absolutely it does. The pundits set the talking points. They have a LOT of power with influence.

If they ignore an incident no one talks about it. If neville mentions ferni tackles to stop counter attacks it becomes a talking point.

Neville uses that power. They all do just like we would.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Absolutely it does. The pundits set the talking points. They have a LOT of power with influence.

If they ignore an incident no one talks about it. If neville mentions ferni tackles to stop counter attacks it becomes a talking point.

Neville uses that power. They all do just like we would.

In real time or because they read about what he’s said in between matches?

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Put simply . Ruined the game I once loved.

For me too it's looking that way. I can't remember things being this shite before var. It does look to have made things worse.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

It’s what the said when it first came in.

It’s another one of these areas that people can decide that is happening with no proof.

Their is no proof EITHER way. Those running VAR can say ANYTHING because they are essentially a self-licking lolly pop with no truly independent oversight or scrutiny.

Also, I bet there have been loads of times when the tech has failed or not been working and they've just guessed. The one that instantly springs to mind is the Dipper's game at Klanfield when Salad scored their second from a clear offside. No way VAR was working that day (certainly in the First Half). We'll just never know because they just seem to either say f*ck all or just lie about it.

 

[ShedDweller]

Their is no proof EITHER way. Those running VAR can say ANYTHING because they are essentially a self-licking lolly pop with no truly independent oversight or scrutiny.

Also, I bet there have been loads of times when the tech has failed or not been working and they've just guessed. The one that instantly springs to mind is the Dipper's game at Klanfield when Salad scored their second from a clear offside. No way VAR was working that day (certainly in the First Half). We'll just never know because they just seem to either say f*ck all or just lie about it.

And there is the real problem.

In the old days the referee was the only person responsible for the decisions, it was there for everyone to see.

Now the key decisions are happening behind closed doors and the people doing so are not accountable.

Its allowed results to be manipulated according to whatever agenda is required at the time.

We can't believe in what we are seeing infront of us, it is clearly being manipulated and its killed the game as far as I'm concerned.

Might as well be WWF.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Their is no proof EITHER way. Those running VAR can say ANYTHING because they are essentially a self-licking lolly pop with no truly independent oversight or scrutiny.

Also, I bet there have been loads of times when the tech has failed or not been working and they've just guessed. The one that instantly springs to mind is the Dipper's game at Klanfield when Salad scored their second from a clear offside. No way VAR was working that day (certainly in the First Half). We'll just never know because they just seem to either say f*ck all or just lie about it.

Indeed. Therefore you either accept it or you don’t, depending on your level of scepticism.

Your Salah example is apt. We don’t know if VAR was working or not. Even if it was, it’s likely to have been manipulated.

All because the decision didn’t go our way.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

And there is the real problem.

In the old days the referee was the only person responsible for the decisions, it was there for everyone to see.

Now the key decisions are happening behind closed doors and the people doing so are not accountable.

Its allowed results to be manipulated according to whatever agenda is required at the time.

We can't believe in what we are seeing infront of us, it is clearly being manipulated and its killed the game as far as I'm concerned.

Might as well be WWF.

This is the issue. People feel as though it’s bent. They don’t need proof. They can simply “see“ it.

I’m not sure what a wildlife charity has got to do with things.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Indeed. Therefore you either accept it or you don’t, depending on your level of scepticism.

Your Salah example is apt. We don’t know if VAR was working or not. Even if it was, it’s likely to have been manipulated.

All because the decision didn’t go our way.

They certainly never put any lines on the TV for the Salah goal which leads me to believe that VAR was inoperative.

Miraculously they found their line drawing machine in the second half, but still claimed VAR was fully functional all game.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They certainly never put any lines on the TV for the Salah goal which leads me to believe that VAR was inoperative.

Miraculously they found their line drawing machine in the second half, but still claimed VAR was fully functional all game.

I can’t comment definitively because I don’t know what the issue was that day, if there was one.

Whenever a marginal call goes against your team, it’s natural to feel aggrieved and question corruption. It doesn’t mean there is any.

 

[inchy14]

It’s what the said when it first came in.

It’s another one of these areas that people can decide that is happening with no proof.

They also said it would only be used for clear and obvious errors which it never has been.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

They also said it would only be used for clear and obvious errors which it never has been.

That’s not provable.

What you deem clear and obvious may not be what I deem it to be.

As always, subjectivity is VAR’s issue.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I can’t comment definitively because I don’t know what the issue was that day, if there was one.

Whenever a marginal call goes against your team, it’s natural to feel aggrieved and question corruption. It doesn’t mean there is any.

That's the problem, NOBODY knows (apart from the operators on the day) because there isn't any independent scrutiny, and it isn't in the interest of VAR to tell us one way or the other. They can essentially claim anything with absolute impunity (including calls during the game).

The Salah offside wasn't even close to marginal. Plus, there have been loads of questionable VAR calls across all teams, so it's not a blue tinted glasses issue.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

That's the problem, NOBODY knows (apart from the operators on the day) because there isn't any independent scrutiny, and it isn't in the interest of VAR to tell us one way or the other. They can essentially claim anything with absolute impunity.

The Salah offside wasn't even close to marginal. Plus, there have been loads of questionable VAR calls across all teams, so it's not a blue tinted glasses issue.

So, in conclusion, a person’s view on VAR is pendent on their outlook on life.

Graduates of the University of Life and Facebook believe everything in life is corrupt and directly against them.

Whereas people with a more open minded approach think that VAR isn’t perfect and could be improved greatly, but isn’t a tool used to manipulate the game to any significant level.