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Blue Maverick said:
Listening on the radio that tax cut at the top losses the treasury £2 billion the people that benefitting number about 600k each will be £10k better off, Jesus Christ if people can’t see how they are looking after their mates then they are blind.
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It doesn't lose the treasury £2bn because it all gets re-invested in the country which boosts the economy and leads to increased taxes elsewhere. Come on mate, it's pretty simple. That richest £600k are hardly going to sit on that extra money, stick it in off-shore accounts or invest it in stocks and shares or on foreign holidays. They'll be employing local builders to get their extension built, buying local food and veg and dare I say they'll probably chuck in a tip or two when they go to their local nandos.
 
domalino said:
Isn't this a deliberate ploy by Labour?

Starmer plays this diplomatic, boring, unite the nation character, while his front bench attack the Conservatives directly.

Starmer is capable of being much more aggressive but whether it's a good plan or not, I think Labour believe a leader of the opposition who's just complaining about the government every week on every subject turns voters off after 12 years.
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Perhaps but I don't think it was working. Their strong position in the polls is down to the Tories continual fuck ups, today being the nail in their coffin. Labour should just turn up with popcorn. It's a waiting game now, they'll be in at the next election.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Wasn't it proved that it was mostly assurances that funding would be provided, only for the funding not to have been provided yet?
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It is committed spend, but they are all medium/long term projects. Whether we get future rounds is unclear now, it was mainly going on thing like public realm projects in town centres, so it was never a silver bullet.
 
supercity88 said:
It doesn't lose the treasury £2bn because it all gets re-invested in the country which boosts the economy and leads to increased taxes elsewhere. Come on mate, it's pretty simple. That richest £600k are hardly going to sit on that extra money, stick it in off-shore accounts or invest it in stocks and shares or on foreign holidays. They'll be employing local builders to get their extension built, buying local food and veg and dare I say they'll probably chuck in a tip or two when they go to their local nandos.
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I like your thinking ;)
 
abu13 said:
I am only just getting to grips with this but have to admit I'm struggling. In fact I think we are having the piss taken like never before.

A cut in income tax from £0.20p to £0.19p for the majority of the population who are in most need while anyone earning over £150k a year gets a cut from 45% down to 40%.

The key thing had to be getting money moving through the economy, it has to go to the right areas.
Alot of these icome tax savings are going to end up sat in some huge bank accounts.

Cunts.
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Its a double bubble if you are getting paid over £150k per annum, which is approximately 665k of the population, you will get the benefits of the 1% cut on your earning below £50k plus the 5% cut in everything above £150k. But what really tells the story is the markets reaction to this with the $ trading at $1.11 to the £.

Who knows what happens now but unless the majority of economist are wrong then we really are in trouble. Who would have thought that getting rid of Johnson could get worse. Or maybe he was just paving the way ?
 
supercity88 said:
It doesn't lose the treasury £2bn because it all gets re-invested in the country which boosts the economy and leads to increased taxes elsewhere. Come on mate, it's pretty simple. That richest £600k are hardly going to sit on that extra money, stick it in off-shore accounts or invest it in stocks and shares or on foreign holidays. They'll be employing local builders to get their extension built, buying local food and veg and dare I say they'll probably chuck in a tip or two when they go to their local nandos.
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Or they pay to put their kids through private school on which they pay no VAT. Or they put the extra into tax efficient trusts to benefit their kids. Or they buy a few more buy to lets. Or they do indeed buy stocks and shares as the markets continue to fall over the next few months...shall I go on?
 
Conclusion is that these are the very dregs of tory initiatives and policy makers who will fail paving the way just before the election for the return of the prodigal son, Boris who will somehow be seen by some of the poorest as the answer v Kier & co.
 
Think of the positives here.

The couple of £hundred quid we will save we can pay to the energy companies to top their profits up.

Truly a budget that will energise the economy.
 
hampshireblue said:
Or they pay to put their kids through private school on which they pay no VAT. Or they put the extra into tax efficient trusts to benefit their kids. Or they buy a few more buy to lets. Or they do indeed buy stocks and shares as the markets continue to fall over the next few months...shall I go on?
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And don’t forget, those public schools have charitable status.
We are subsidising them as they don’t pay any tax.
All they have to do is demonstrate that they create public benefits.
Well………don’t they???
 
Mike D said:
Its a double bubble if you are getting paid over £150k per annum, which is approximately 665k of the population, you will get the benefits of the 1% cut on your earning below £50k plus the 5% cut in everything above £150k. But what really tells the story is the markets reaction to this with the $ trading at $1.11 to the £.

Who knows what happens now but unless the majority of economist are wrong then we really are in trouble. Who would have thought that getting rid of Johnson could get worse. Or maybe he was just paving the way ?
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Its all fucked.
 
As a youngster I was brought up in a strong Labour working class family. For years I voted Labour just because that was the way I was raised. As i got older I became more aware of this and decided that rarther than blindly following family tradition I would look at all politics objectively and make my own decisions based on what my beliefs were, I didnt want to be a sheep following aimlessly like so many do.
I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong and I am open to change. So after a lot of consideration and trusting my mind over my gut I decided that the Tories are Cunts.
 
hampshireblue said:
Or they pay to put their kids through private school on which they pay no VAT. Or they put the extra into tax efficient trusts to benefit their kids. Or they buy a few more buy to lets. Or they do indeed buy stocks and shares as the markets continue to fall over the next few months...shall I go on?
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As a high rate tax payer - the extra money i get will not be offset by the increase in my energy bills. So for me it changes nothing. But I'm concious that the lower you earn the less benefit and everyone's energy bills are going up. Its morally wrong.
 
hgblue said:
So, income tax to be cut, national insurance rise reversed, cap on energy bills implemented, extra payments going to the most vulnerable. The cost to be paid via more borrowing for now, but if these measures promote growth in the economy this will significantly reduce the bill. A Tory government implementing Tory policies at last. I like it.
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Inome tax to be cut for those that earn the most .next to nothing for those who earn little... National Insurance hasn't been cut , its just gone back to were it was prior to the 'party of no tax increases' before.... nothing of any relevance going towards the most vulnerable.


How many moons can you see from your planet?
 
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