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Bigga said:
Amusingly, I've read this thread for the last few days and not one peep about Biden at loggerheads with the WH on policy...



Laughable to ignore this.
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No one cares because the US has been doing this for decades.

You can search and find Biden, Trump, Obama & Bush all coming out "too strongly" in defence of Taiwan and then the official White House spokesman rowing it back a bit.

It's called strategic ambiguity, and stems from the belief that the 1996 missile crisis was caused by Clinton being too passive towards China.
 
The jury selection for the seditious conspiracy trial of Stewart Rhodes and fellow Oath Keepers Kelly Meggs, Kenneth Harrelson, Jessica Watkins and Thomas Caldwell starts today. His lawyers will base their case on his claims that they were acting on Trump's orders. This and the fact that three other Oath Keepers also indicted have already pleaded guilty and are co-operating with the authorities makes this unmissable. Stock up on the popcorn.
 
laserblue said:
The jury selection for the seditious conspiracy trial of Stewart Rhodes and fellow Oath Keepers Kelly Meggs, Kenneth Harrelson, Jessica Watkins and Thomas Caldwell starts today. His lawyers will base their case on his claims that they were acting on Trump's orders. This and the fact that three other Oath Keepers also indicted have already pleaded guilty and are co-operating with the authorities makes this unmissable. Stock up on the popcorn.
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So much good court TV right now with Alex Jones also on the stand this week. My pillow guy will end up in court too soon enough.
 
Gaudion M said:
The dream scenario for the Dems is that Trump is mired in civil and criminal trials and puts himself forward from a weak position (this seems inevitable). RonD Also goes for it in a stronger position and is early favourite. Trump basically starts his run by calling out RonD in endless rants. This would be a gift to the Dems - two idiots trashing each other.

Liz Cheney comes in late and enters the primary process on the last possible day - avoiding the early shit show served up by Trump and RonD. Then you have a 3 way process where Trump is the worst candidate but has the MAGA hardcore base and spends the whole process ripping into the other 2. RonD becomes a kind of middle ground between the shit crazy Trump and respectable Cheney.

The next GOP primary process and full campaign will be a strange one. They have already floated the idea there will be no big televised debates (i'm not sure that works on the primary circuit). If Trump wont turn up to and answer tough questions then something has to give. Either the party steps in and tries to shut down debate and fix the process (very possible - but there are limits to what they can do) or you end up with RonD on stage with Cheney where Ron has to repeat the Trump lies and Cheney can call him a liar and not just a liar but a subservient liar who does not have the courage to stand up to Trump. Trump meanwhile not even willing to defend his own lies in person.

The above all hinges on Cheney standing - or another similar candidate. And also the GOP could be just engineering the candidate in the background with no challenge. If there is a challenge it gets very ugly for them.
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Any other time, any other person, any other millenium, I would agree, but this guy will have em voting for him, regardless.

In fact the worse it gets for him, I suspect the more ardent they will become. It's surreal.
 
mat said:
Will Trump end up dead or go full Weinstein if he's finally arrested for something?
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I am guessing that the plan is to keep triggering his anger as at some stage an ageing man who lives on a diet of cheese burgers and bile will just go away............
 
domalino said:
No one cares because the US has been doing this for decades.

You can search and find Biden, Trump, Obama & Bush all coming out "too strongly" in defence of Taiwan and then the official White House spokesman rowing it back a bit.

It's called strategic ambiguity, and stems from the belief that the 1996 missile crisis was caused by Clinton being too passive towards China.
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So, what happens if a Chinese leader decides to call the US' bluff?

Let's just say Russia decides to do the same, the Saudis decide to up their own ante and Iran says fuck it to the 'deal' that was made.

All within the realms of possibility with the US over flexing.

What happens? It's only courtesy that holds off action, right now, but the next leaders might think fuck that.
 


A good summary of the Oath Keepers trial. This is hugely significant for Trump. If they are found guilty then that confirms there was a criminal attempt to stop the election process. From there its very easy to then loop Trump in as being a leader. If they get off its much harder.

The evidence is solid but it's a huge charge, imagine being on the jury.
 
Gaudion M said:


A good summary of the Oath Keepers trial. This is hugely significant for Trump. If they are found guilty then that confirms there was a criminal attempt to stop the election process. From there its very easy to then loop Trump in as being a leader. If they get off its much harder.

The evidence is solid but it's a huge charge, imagine being on the jury.
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It should help the prosecution as 3 of Rhodes's fellow Oath Keepers already pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy and have been co-operating with the authorities.
 
laserblue said:
It should help the prosecution as 3 of Rhodes's fellow Oath Keepers already pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy and have been co-operating with the authorities.
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Yes - its a question now of going up the chain. Why the evidence hear will be so interesting. The phone logs, whats app groups etc. Not sure how they deal with other charicters coming in to the frame (do they redact the names?). Roger Stone is clearly involved, very close to these thugs, yet not in court here. And then who else in congress and on the white house staff will get dragged in.
 
Bigga said:
So, what happens if a Chinese leader decides to call the US' bluff?

Let's just say Russia decides to do the same, the Saudis decide to up their own ante and Iran says fuck it to the 'deal' that was made.

All within the realms of possibility with the US over flexing.

What happens? It's only courtesy that holds off action, right now, but the next leaders might think fuck that.
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By bluff, do you mean invade Taiwan? The Chinese don’t have the military capability to undergo an amphibious assault on Taiwan. Similar, to Russia’s experience in Ukraine, it is better by far to threaten and posture to gain leverage than actually do it.

Bit like Brexit. Threaten to leave and you get concessions. Actually leave and it’s like ‘yeah, whatever, dude’.
 
BobKowalski said:
By bluff, do you mean invade Taiwan? The Chinese don’t have the military capability to undergo an amphibious assault on Taiwan. Similar, to Russia’s experience in Ukraine, it is better by far to threaten and posture to gain leverage than actually do it.

Bit like Brexit. Threaten to leave and you get concessions. Actually leave and it’s like ‘yeah, whatever, dude’.
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No, I get that and all you say is true, but it just takes the game of brinkmanship to make a misstep and it all comes tumbling down. I was reminded today of an episode of 'The Colbert Report' where a guest was explaining US strategy (Ukraine, in this case) and the way they play with Putin.

I recall actually watching the ep on TV and may have it in one of my Hard Drives. If you'll actually watch it, I'll post the clip via Rogan, who doesn't say too much. It's, actually, eye-opening the plan the US had all those years ago to bear fruition now. FF to the clip:

 
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