Jude Bellingham

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Tugay One Cup said:
But I don't get why having energy and a good work rate is supposed to be anything other than a positive. Or being firm in the tackle, for that matter.

And when you say he can't dictate play, where is this coming from? It's not his role for either England or Dortmund. The latter has the likes of Dahoud to do that for them and England never dictate play because they usually set up with two in the middle and aren't afforded time and space as a result. Southgate plays an incredibly conservative team not designed to control games.

Chances are Bernardo's gone in the summer and one of the things we'll be severely lacking in the middle will be the ability to get box to box and cover ground. If Gundogan leaves then I do think we'll need a like minded player as a replacement as well but, as I say, there's not really any evidence that Bellingham can't set the tempo because that's simply not a role he's been given yet.

But he works hard going both ways, is much better in tight spaces than you'd think and he carries the ball forward brilliantly. That's before you get onto the mental aspect and by all accounts he's brilliant in that regard.
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So you agree that for his club and country, he does just what Mctominay does but you feel he can develop something you have not seen yet.

If Bellingham was 22 or 23, the discourse around him would be very different. Imagine paying 100 million for what you haven’t yet seen him do for club or country.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
There is massive hype so was Grealish and this lad is 6 years younger, if you want to see something watch how long it takes to control the ball and his first touch especially on the move, it is not as good as Foden but it is close, then look at all Pep`s buys only Walker is poor in this and he has other strengths that out weigh weaknesses.
This may work for you it is just what i look at in a player first.
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Comparing a 180cm build player vs a 170cm build player on first touch is a little bit unfair.

But I get your point.

I don't think Bellingham is very technically good as the most people believe. His style and body language perhaps confuse it. It is very obvious how Italian side targeted and pressed him&Reece James on the right side, especially throw ins, because they are not technically poorer than Italian players . He is a more off-the-ball style b2b midfielder rather than Bernado/Foden/Grealish the on-the-ball style.

Sadly this part of the game won't be improved much once you reach 20. But I still think Bellingham is a very good player because he offers a lot of runs and defensive contributions. It can inject some much needed energy into our midfield given KDB/Gundo's age.
 
TheBlueCat said:
This sounds like Malcolm Alison’s scouting report on Colin Bell when he was at Bury (for those that recall). That worked out ok for us ..
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I hope you are right. I don’t see how the two could be compared as players, apart from they are both midfielders.

One got little hype and the other OTT hype.
 
decmancity said:
I wonder who I trust at evaluating the ability and potential of this lad. Pep, Txiki, our team of scouts or PunditJay.

Digging out Bellingham for not dictating games is ridiculous. Birmingham or Dortmund didn't require him to do this, so he didn't.
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But Pep does. He’s not shown he can, asked or not.
 
For what it’s worth (little or nothing) JB is an outstanding footballer. He is probably more Gerrard than Zidane, but anyone questioning his ability to deliver when he is a regular starter at CM in an England team is either a juvenile or delusional. He is a quality footballer. I have no fears that he ‘won’t fit,’ we continually evolve; as we should. Personally
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I hope you are right. I don’t see how the two could be compared as players, apart from they are both midfielders.

One got little hype and the other OTT hype.
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Maybe a touch of Hyperbole on my part but Bell was at Bury..
 
TheBlueCat said:
For what it’s worth (little or nothing) JB is an outstanding footballer. He is probably more Gerrard than Zidane, but anyone questioning his ability to deliver when he is a regular starter at CM in an England team is either a juvenile or delusional. He is a quality footballer. I have no fears that he ‘won’t fit,’ we continually evolve; as we should. Personally

Maybe a touch of Hyperbole on my part but Bell was at Bury..
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That’s cool, we can have different opinions. I don’t think he’s crap, but I’m yet to be convinced that he’s good enough for Pepball.

The only competetive games he has started and England have won are against Andorra and San Marino.

Now this is partly down to Southgate’s tactics, but he hasn’t done anything out of the ordinary when compared to England’s other midfielders.

His best asset at the moment is his experience for a 19 year old. He’s decent at most aspects of the game, but what does he do that Rice doesnt?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
That’s cool, we can have different opinions. I don’t think he’s crap, but I’m yet to be convinced that he’s good enough for Pepball.

The only competetive games he has started and England have won are against Andorra and San Marino.

Now this is partly down to Southgate’s tactics, but he hasn’t done anything out of the ordinary when compared to England’s other midfielders.

His best asset at the moment is his experience for a 19 year old. He’s decent at most aspects of the game, but what does he do that Rice doesnt?
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Will to win, he has more desire than rice
 
BAB.DAB said:
Will to win, he has more desire than rice
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Alan Harper's Tash said:
Does he? What have Dortmund or England won?

I’m sure Rice will have the same desire to win.
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They both have great desire and will to win, to suggest otherwise is a bit mad, the only real difference in how they express it is experience, Rice is more controlled and that has come with age, Bellingham is still a young lad and can be a bit rash, but he’ll learn.
 
He's scored three in three against us, if you consider the one we got away with which was disallowed?

He absolutely nullified the supply between the lines the other week and that's what made it a difficult game.

Physically, he has it all, already.

The team will have to evolve again over the next 18 months and Bellingham, regardless of price, is a top player.

You can never have enough of them and I know Pep is absolutely in love with him, as he is with Declan Rice.

That tells me he thinks the team needs this sort of player.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
He's scored three in three against us, if you consider the one we got away with which was disallowed?

He absolutely nullified the supply between the lines the other week and that's what made it a difficult game.

Physically, he has it all, already.

The team will have to evolve again over the next 18 months and Bellingham, regardless of price, is a top player.

You can never have enough of them and I know Pep is absolutely in love with him, as he is with Declan Rice.

That tells me he thinks the team needs this sort of player.
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Bellingham would be better for us than Rice though surely? With Rodri and Phillips in the squad, if Bernardo leaves as expected and possibly Gundogan then Bellingham would be a better signing than Rice.
 
richards30 said:
Bellingham would be better for us than Rice though surely? With Rodri and Phillips in the squad, if Bernardo leaves as expected and possibly Gundogan then Bellingham would be a better signing than Rice.
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Rice has a lot more to his game than just being a 6 so wouldn’t surprise me.
 
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