Jude Bellingham

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tolmie's hairdoo said:
He's scored three in three against us, if you consider the one we got away with which was disallowed?

He absolutely nullified the supply between the lines the other week and that's what made it a difficult game.

Physically, he has it all, already.

The team will have to evolve again over the next 18 months and Bellingham, regardless of price, is a top player.

You can never have enough of them and I know Pep is absolutely in love with him, as he is with Declan Rice.

That tells me he thinks the team needs this sort of player.
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Can see whoever fails to get Bellingham going for rice in the summer
Surely his price will drop after wests ham have a horror season
See Bellingham at us or liverpool
Rice going to united, which makes Casemiro an even more pointless signing!
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
He's scored three in three against us, if you consider the one we got away with which was disallowed?

He absolutely nullified the supply between the lines the other week and that's what made it a difficult game.

Physically, he has it all, already.

The team will have to evolve again over the next 18 months and Bellingham, regardless of price, is a top player.

You can never have enough of them and I know Pep is absolutely in love with him, as he is with Declan Rice.

That tells me he thinks the team needs this sort of player.
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That evolvement will probably include Gundogan,maybe Bernardo.....id sooner FDJ if it came down to a choice.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
He can’t dictate a game and runs round a lot. Sounds a lot like McTominay. He does have 6 years on him though.

Southgate has always preferred Phillips to Bellingham when they are both fit, so not sure why that is so undebateable.
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Yeh Southgate the tactical genius :)
 
Dirty Harry said:
They both have great desire and will to win, to suggest otherwise is a bit mad, the only real difference in how they express it is experience, Rice is more controlled and that has come with age, Bellingham is still a young lad and can be a bit rash, but he’ll learn.
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Fair enough, but what you are describing there is a weakness in Bellingham, not a strength?
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
He's scored three in three against us, if you consider the one we got away with which was disallowed?

He absolutely nullified the supply between the lines the other week and that's what made it a difficult game.

Physically, he has it all, already.

The team will have to evolve again over the next 18 months and Bellingham, regardless of price, is a top player.

You can never have enough of them and I know Pep is absolutely in love with him, as he is with Declan Rice.

That tells me he thinks the team needs this sort of player.
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Bellingham has scored 17 goals in 144 games. He’s not a prolific scorer.
 
Dirty Harry said:
I wouldn’t say that was necessarily always the case mate, lack of experience can often be a positive thing in that you often hold less fear, and, don’t give too much respect to the opponent.
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True, although Pep seems to think it is as he doesn’t play many youngsters in the centre of midfield.

I don’t think Bellingham is a bad player, please don’t get me wrong, he’s just not exceptional, like ours are.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
That’s cool, we can have different opinions. I don’t think he’s crap, but I’m yet to be convinced that he’s good enough for Pepball.

The only competetive games he has started and England have won are against Andorra and San Marino.

Now this is partly down to Southgate’s tactics, but he hasn’t done anything out of the ordinary when compared to England’s other midfielders.

His best asset at the moment is his experience for a 19 year old. He’s decent at most aspects of the game, but what does he do that Rice doesnt?
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Control the ball, turn and accelerate, keeping the ball under close control. He does this quickly, with one or two touches. Makes Rice look very cumbersome in comparison.

I'm not totally convinced by Bellingham, but he's definitely very good.

Does he control games, does he dictate games like Gundo/Bernardo etc? No. Not yet. I'm not sure he will. The closest comparison I can think of is more with Fernandinho. Talent, desire and technique. He played further forward for Shakhtar and deeper for us, but he could have carried on playing centrally and I'm sure he would have pressed, created and scored too.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Did Robbie Savage show more “desire” than Gundogan?

British fans have an obsession with work rate.
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Yep. In a Pep team you show your desire by continually wanting the ball and doing the right thing even when under pressure. Don't charge about like a dickhead, be out of position and get in everyone else's way (sounds like Steven Gerrard that).
 
mattcity5 said:
Control the ball, turn and accelerate, keeping the ball under close control. He does this quickly, with one or two touches. Makes Rice look very cumbersome in comparison.

I'm not totally convinced by Bellingham, but he's definitely very good.

Does he control games, does he dictate games like Gundo/Bernardo etc? No. Not yet. I'm not sure he will. The closest comparison I can think of is more with Fernandinho. Talent, desire and technique. He played further forward for Shakhtar and deeper for us, but he could have carried on playing centrally and I'm sure he would have pressed, created and scored too.
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If you think he’s like Fernandinho, wouldn’t that make him a number 6 in our system?

He might become a mega star under Pep, I’m not a total idiot(although others might disagree with that!).

I just can’t see him being a regular starter for us as a number 8, yet.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
If you think he’s like Fernandinho, wouldn’t that make him a number 6 in our system?

He might become a mega star under Pep, I’m not a total idiot(although others might disagree with that!).

I just can’t see him being a regular starter for us as a number 8, yet.
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Possibly yeah. But Fern had become a 6 under Pellegrini because Yaya had become a little ponderous by that point and would never track back.

If we had a Rodri back then, maybe Fern would have stayed as an 8? I think there's room for Bellingham to play in front of Rodri - he's good enough on the ball to break into the box with 1-2s or make late runs in to get on the end of crosses/pullbacks.

No idea really though. He's good and if City want him that's good enough for me. I'm sure he's young enough and has enough ability to adapt here.
 
mattcity5 said:
Possibly yeah. But Fern had become a 6 under Pellegrini because Yaya had become a little ponderous by that point and would never track back.

If we had a Rodri back then, maybe Fern would have stayed as an 8? I think there's room for Bellingham to play in front of Rodri - he's good enough on the ball to break into the box with 1-2s or make late runs in to get on the end of crosses/pullbacks.

No idea really though. He's good and if City want him that's good enough for me. I'm sure he's young enough and has enough ability to adapt here.
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I don’t think we’re disagreeing much. Fernandinho was super human playing in a midfield 2 with Yaya. We’d have been far Better with a Rodri, but Pellegrini played 2 strikers.

There’s no doubt Bellingham is very good for his age. The question mark is around where his ceiling is. The hype train says he’ll be one of the best in the world. In reality, it could be lower than that.

City will have their view, and if they believe he can rise to the top, they’ll pay what it takes to get him here.

As fans, we’d have to give him time to learn Pepball as he will make mistakes and potentially cost us a game or two during his education.

Zinchenko couldn’t get a game in our midfield and his technique and football brain were higher than Bellingham’s are at the moment.
 
waspish said:
The way Tood at Chelsea goes out to get players they’ll be a big threat for getting him..
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Things can change quickly, for instance Pep could leave at the end of the season. We might win a few trophies this year or none - nothing shoudlbe taken for granted but we are currently in a postion where, if we choose to, we can see off pretty much anyone.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I don’t think we’re disagreeing much. Fernandinho was super human playing in a midfield 2 with Yaya. We’d have been far Better with a Rodri, but Pellegrini played 2 strikers.

There’s no doubt Bellingham is very good for his age. The question mark is around where his ceiling is. The hype train says he’ll be one of the best in the world. In reality, it could be lower than that.

City will have their view, and if they believe he can rise to the top, they’ll pay what it takes to get him here.

As fans, we’d have to give him time to learn Pepball as he will make mistakes and potentially cost us a game or two during his education.

Zinchenko couldn’t get a game in our midfield and his technique and football brain were higher than Bellingham’s are at the moment.
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Totally agree with this - and yes, the hype is over the top. Feels like whenever I see him, if he does anything good the commentators go mad - and ignore that he's been invisible for the previous 10 minutes.
 
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