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bluethrunthru said:
surely the voters won't accept this again

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Difficult one for the Tories to sell, undoubtedly, but if the new leadership doubles down on fiscal responsibility and manages to push mortgage rates lower, then the situation would at least become a bit less fraught and febrile.

They would need to produce a tangible improvement in market conditions though, as well as a clear change in the optics around the party. The likes of Rees-Mogg would have to be removed, never to be seen again, and so you would question whether sufficient unity exists across the Party for it to save itself. But it does look like we’ve reached a bit of a tipping point today with regards to Truss.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Difficult one for the Tories to sell, undoubtedly, but if the new leadership doubles down on fiscal responsibility and manages to push mortgage rates lower, then the situation would at least become a bit less fraught and febrile.

They would need to produce a tangible improvement in market conditions though, as well as a clear change in the optics around the party. The likes of Rees-Mogg would have to be removed, never to be seen again, and so you would question whether sufficient unity exists across the Party for it to save itself. But it does look like we’ve reached a bit of a tipping point today with regards to Truss.
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There is no unity which is why that will never happen - you have the UKIP wing - the UKIP Lite wing - Old School Tories - Country Squires - Working Class Tories championing people getting on by hard work - One Nation Tories ( whatever that means now) - its always been a mixed bag but the desire for power has always enabled a stronger leader to herd them together in one direction. Mix that lot with a weak leader and we are where we are - a Party who quoted that people don't elect divided Party's themselves totally divided
 
mat said:



National security risk anyone...?
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file it under Johnson being pissed out of his mind so he couldn't recall what if anything he had said to the KGB having slipped his minders and Kwarteng going for a boozy lunch with his ex-employer and £shorter after his disastrous announcement on 23/9 - they are all fucking corrupt
 
bluethrunthru said:
conclusion tonight is simple - the Tories have backed themselves into an inescapable corner - every - and I mean EVERY way she turns is bad for her bad for her party and bad for the country. Her only realistic choice - which she won't take - is call a GE accepting they will lose but push to limit the extent of those losses - of course the typical Tory ego won't do that which is why they will take us all down with them.
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It's one of those chess games where you can't avoid the inevitable checkmate but keep making moves to delay the inevitable.
 
So, there is either going to be an enormous U-turn today, or the markets could get incredibly jittery. The Chancellor cutting short his visit to Washington suggests something will happen, but given how this Government has acted so far, it’s more likely they’ll tinker and march on rather than about face
 
Gabriel said:
So, there is either going to be an enormous U-turn today, or the markets could get incredibly jittery. The Chancellor cutting short his visit to Washington suggests something will happen, but given how this Government has acted so far, it’s more likely they’ll tinker and march on rather than about face
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If they don't do anything the back bencher will force the issue, block votes etc and she will be gone.

If she does then she looks pathetic and her authority is gone.

There is little middle ground between the two. She could do a partial u turn and still lose a vote.
 
hgblue said:
Haha, join the club mate. Total waste of time trying to provide a different perspective. It's not the £350 billion cost of lockdown or the £150 billion cost of the energy cap, both of which were strongly supported by the lefty types on here, it was the miniscule cost of the top rate tax cut that screwed the economy. Not just ours, the Yen has collapsed, the Euro is also at a record low against the dollar, that's one hell of a global effect for a tax cut that cost a few billion quid in one country.

The plan is clear and obvious, provide a business friendly low tax environment to promote growth and hopefully stave off a potentially disastrous recession that is looming. I don't think people have grasped the dire situation we are in across the West, which is why radical action is necessary. I guess it's easier just to call people cunts and blame them for the global shitshow. In fact, our debt to gdp ratio is 6th out of the 7 G7 nations, only one below us is Germany, and they're even more screwed than we are and Winter is coming. If they go into recession, the entire pack of debt leveraged cards could come tumbling. Where we go from there, fuck knows.
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It was all lefties fault, lefty this lefty that..

She's fucked the economy hasn't she , the Conservatives have screwed us all, are you still a believer?
 
adrianr said:
Given the polling right now I think they're just grasping at any idea that doesn't leave them with 10 seats at the next GE. (Not saying this idea won't do that anyway, although a Sunak/Mordaunt GE is undoubtedly going to go far better than Truss/Kwarteng IMO).
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The talk of Johnson returning is back again - thing is he is a greedy needy **** and he just earned in one day what he earned as PM by giving a speech - can't see him giving that up - especially not now the Tories have imploded
 
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