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Chippy_boy said:
Labour's mess inherited, public idiotically voting for Brexit, COVID, war in Ukraine amd 15x gas energy price crisis* Yep these things have sure taken their toll.

I suppose in your head, none of this counts.

(And yes the wholesale price has gone up 1,500% in the past year or so - I didn't believe it either)
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Lol.
 
Chippy_boy said:
She read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Merton College, Oxford. They only let thickies in these days.
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I’m well aware of what degree she has. But I’m afraid that she’s utterly clueless when it comes to the economics bit, and anyone listening to those interviews this morning will be horrified. She probably took an interest in Malthus for a semester or two, or more likely Marx given her radical left wing family background, and that covered off the economics bit.

As an aside, I don’t think the ability of someone to do well in their A levels at eighteen years of age should give them a free pass from scrutiny later in their career. I’ve worked with countless people in my career who have been through Oxford or Cambridge (mostly the former). Some of them have been formidably intelligent, just off the scale clever and I admired them greatly. Most have been very industrious and quick, so it’s no surprise that they did well academically. Others have been very social and became good friends. But a couple have been clueless and incompetent. It’s a broad church, as Truss is proving.
 
bluejon said:
at least that would explain the long silences, but it's not because of that, it's because she's thick as fuck. she needs to be removed from office now.
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I recently saw a BBC article about chess grandmasters and allegations against a young man who has beaten the champion.
Seems he has offered to play naked to overturn mobile telephony allegations of computer assistance.
Not saying she is receiving instructions that way but she appears to be a clone of a system where individual thought is frowned upon and promotion given to yes men / women.
Yes, she should be naked during interviews to offset any delay suspicions.
 
She seems (listening to her today) on the edge. Trying to quell her anger at the questions, or very nervous. Nowhere near the confidence of thatcher she when she was screwing people over.

I am starting to think that they've not thought this through properly. I support their initiative if it's possible to make it work, but I get a strong feeling they think they've fucked things up.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
She seems (listening to her today) on the edge. Trying to quell her anger at the questions, or very nervous. Nowhere near the confidence of thatcher she when she was screwing people over.

I am starting to think that they've not thought this through properly. I support their initiative if it's possible to make it work, but I get a strong feeling they think they've fucked things up.
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Aside from the poor delivery, and tripping up over simple questions, the striking thing for me is the lack of conviction in her voice. If she really believed in it, and came out swinging, I would give her a bit of credit. But today’s round of interviews had none of that.
 
Chippy_boy said:
FWIW chaps, I think I am going to bow out of this thread. I am sure many of you will say good riddance.

But it's just too tiring and frankly a dirty great big waste of EVERYONE's time. I am not a massive supporter of the Tories, contrary to what many of you must think. Merely of most Tory idealogy and principles, like the state taking the minimum amount off money of people and not meddling with peoples' lives more than the absolute minimum.

I am certainly not saying the latest mini budget has been a huge success (only an idiot would say that, and I am not an idiot). It's been handled terribly badly by Truss and Kwasi whatever his name is. I've been critical of several aspects of it. But I do think the markets have grossly overreacted and I think everything will calm down in due course. Although he was hugely critical of how it was handled, Martin Lewis said this morning "who knows, it might work". I suspect he knows a thing or two than most on here.

Unfortunately, I am a lone voice here and it's just too tiring arguing with people; some informed, some intelligent and some morons with no fucking clue. The endless jibes from the latter group wore thin about 12 years ago.

There is absolutely fuck all any of you (or me) can do to change anything. So howl at the moon to your hearts' content if it makes you feel better - as I guess it must because you've spent 2,424 pages doing it.
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The market reaction has been a long time coming. Denying economic reality has been a feature, not a bug, of recent Tory administrations. Truss decided to double down on denial, hence the market reaction.

This reaction has also rendered the Truss plan for growth moot. You want to grow the economy? Then offer regulatory and financial stability, good trade relations with your nearest markets, and invest in infrastructure and people.

Finally, never again should the country be subjected to a leader chosen by an unrepresentative and tiny section of the population. We saw the result of that decision on Friday.
 
mat said:
The fucking media in this country would be leading the revolution had a Labour government tried to implement an ideological book such as to the Communist manifesto on the nation.

It seems ok to implement Brittania Unchained page by page.

Cunts.
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When Corbyn back in 2018/19 talked about re-nationalising energy, water and the railways it was widely reported as a disaster. Something that would starve the country of economic growth through scaring away businesses and investment. Yet here we are with prices crippling the nation and suddenly it's an idea that the majority will support and can create growth and provide jobs for thousands in this country as part of a green energy growth plan. We have water companies polluting everywhere without consequences and the railways are as expensive and useless as ever! This is just another political cycle. We have to wait for the Tory excuses to run out, their ability to blame Labour to wear thin and then the Labour policies that have been there from the beginning start to look good again.
 
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Brewster's millions said:
Aside from the poor delivery, and tripping up over simple questions, the striking thing for me is the lack of conviction in her voice. If she really believed in it, and came out swinging, I would give her a bit of credit. But today’s round of interviews had none of that.
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maybe she really believes that in time her policy and tax cuts will work out, but there's nothing she can really say or do to quell the storm that's happening now
 
Chippy_boy said:
FWIW chaps, I think I am going to bow out of this thread. I am sure many of you will say good riddance.

But it's just too tiring and frankly a dirty great big waste of EVERYONE's time. I am not a massive supporter of the Tories, contrary to what many of you must think. Merely of most Tory idealogy and principles, like the state taking the minimum amount off money of people and not meddling with peoples' lives more than the absolute minimum.

I am certainly not saying the latest mini budget has been a huge success (only an idiot would say that, and I am not an idiot). It's been handled terribly badly by Truss and Kwasi whatever his name is. I've been critical of several aspects of it. But I do think the markets have grossly overreacted and I think everything will calm down in due course. Although he was hugely critical of how it was handled, Martin Lewis said this morning "who knows, it might work". I suspect he knows a thing or two than most on here.

Unfortunately, I am a lone voice here and it's just too tiring arguing with people; some informed, some intelligent and some morons with no fucking clue. The endless jibes from the latter group wore thin about 12 years ago.

There is absolutely fuck all any of you (or me) can do to change anything. So howl at the moon to your hearts' content if it makes you feel better - as I guess it must because you've spent 2,424 pages doing it.
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Haha, join the club mate. Total waste of time trying to provide a different perspective. It's not the £350 billion cost of lockdown or the £150 billion cost of the energy cap, both of which were strongly supported by the lefty types on here, it was the miniscule cost of the top rate tax cut that screwed the economy. Not just ours, the Yen has collapsed, the Euro is also at a record low against the dollar, that's one hell of a global effect for a tax cut that cost a few billion quid in one country.

The plan is clear and obvious, provide a business friendly low tax environment to promote growth and hopefully stave off a potentially disastrous recession that is looming. I don't think people have grasped the dire situation we are in across the West, which is why radical action is necessary. I guess it's easier just to call people cunts and blame them for the global shitshow. In fact, our debt to gdp ratio is 6th out of the 7 G7 nations, only one below us is Germany, and they're even more screwed than we are and Winter is coming. If they go into recession, the entire pack of debt leveraged cards could come tumbling. Where we go from there, fuck knows.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
She seems (listening to her today) on the edge. Trying to quell her anger at the questions, or very nervous. Nowhere near the confidence of thatcher she when she was screwing people over.

I am starting to think that they've not thought this through properly. I support their initiative if it's possible to make it work, but I get a strong feeling they think they've fucked things up.
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Lets be 100% clear. This policy has failed already.

The plan was reduce tax to encourage investment and growth and hope that the bigger economy will more than offset the lower tax rates. This would take several years to come through. (This bit is the gamble).

What has happened is the £ has crashed as a result of lack of market confidence. The markets think that not enough tax will be raised and therefore government finances will deteriorate.

The key bit is this - the reduction in the value of the £ means all our imports cost more, including oil and gas (wile we are a net producer the economic benefit is owned by private companies and they sell to all of us based on the $ value). So the measure is inflationary. Liz truss was told this during her campaign and rejected the idea. She has been proven wrong already.

And going back to the initial gamble - there is practically zero chance that any growth generated will offset the now higher costs that we as a nation will face. Prosperity will be hit by the inflationary pressure and growth will be negatively impacted. It was a gamble assuming markets remained steady - given the adverse movements it looks like a slam dunk fail.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Aside from the poor delivery, and tripping up over simple questions, the striking thing for me is the lack of conviction in her voice. If she really believed in it, and came out swinging, I would give her a bit of credit. But today’s round of interviews had none of that.
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Exactly the same here. Makes me even more scared now. wtf
 
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Sorry if posted before and the size/poor quality but seen this on Twitter earlier.

Basically a list of active Tory Scandals…
 
hgblue said:
Haha, join the club mate. Total waste of time trying to provide a different perspective. It's not the £350 billion cost of lockdown or the £150 billion cost of the energy cap, both of which were strongly supported by the lefty types on here, it was the miniscule cost of the top rate tax cut that screwed the economy. Not just ours, the Yen has collapsed, the Euro is also at a record low against the dollar, that's one hell of a global effect for a tax cut that cost a few billion quid in one country.

The plan is clear and obvious, provide a business friendly low tax environment to promote growth and hopefully stave off a potentially disastrous recession that is looming. I don't think people have grasped the dire situation we are in across the West, which is why radical action is necessary. I guess it's easier just to call people cunts and blame them for the global shitshow. In fact, our debt to gdp ratio is 6th out of the 7 G7 nations, only one below us is Germany, and they're even more screwed than we are and Winter is coming. If they go into recession, the entire pack of debt leveraged cards could come tumbling. Where we go from there, fuck knows.
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This is nonsense though. This doesn’t even address the crisis that is happening right now and it’s a bad look to ignore the people that can’t afford to heat their homes (if they manage to keep their homes) and give tax breaks to the wealthiest. And uncapped bonuses…

That’s before this latest uncosted “budget” causing almost economic catastrophe that they don’t even bother trying to defend. Is it because they’re thick or is it because they have to repay their backers?

Either way, they’ve lost a huge percentage of the electorate in a week.

Let’s see how things lie at Easter. I suspect things will be utterly dire.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Please do not overlook the sterling work put in this morning by Chris Philp - Even Nick I'm Not A Tory Ferrari is angry with him

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This is the correct way to respond to Tory BS. The evidence is overwhelming that they have totally f'ked up. They should not be allowed to BS thier way through this.

They are using the brexit play book. Brexit was imensley complicated and so it worked. This is a cut and dried failure. A still born policy. Needs reversing ASAP. Any BS is insulting to all of us.
 
hgblue said:
Haha, join the club mate. Total waste of time trying to provide a different perspective. It's not the £350 billion cost of lockdown or the £150 billion cost of the energy cap, both of which were strongly supported by the lefty types on here, it was the miniscule cost of the top rate tax cut that screwed the economy. Not just ours, the Yen has collapsed, the Euro is also at a record low against the dollar, that's one hell of a global effect for a tax cut that cost a few billion quid in one country.

The plan is clear and obvious, provide a business friendly low tax environment to promote growth and hopefully stave off a potentially disastrous recession that is looming. I don't think people have grasped the dire situation we are in across the West, which is why radical action is necessary. I guess it's easier just to call people cunts and blame them for the global shitshow. In fact, our debt to gdp ratio is 6th out of the 7 G7 nations, only one below us is Germany, and they're even more screwed than we are and Winter is coming. If they go into recession, the entire pack of debt leveraged cards could come tumbling. Where we go from there, fuck knows.
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The plan is fucked. It was economically and politically illiterate and the markets fucked it, and us as collateral. What moron on top of the many challenges most countries face, decides to hack away at the foundations of our financial system thereby making the real challenges a lot fucking worse?

As for a business friendly low tax environment- don’t give me that fucking bollocks. What business wants is financial and regulatory stability more than low taxes and that is something we do not provide. No business wants an environment where you have an absolute tosser like Rees-Mogg cheerfully binning rules and regs with zero scrutiny or a PM threatening a trade war with Europe every 5 fucking minutes.

How about you get a clue about business and what businesses want before showing your arse?
 
hgblue said:
Haha, join the club mate. Total waste of time trying to provide a different perspective. It's not the £350 billion cost of lockdown or the £150 billion cost of the energy cap, both of which were strongly supported by the lefty types on here, it was the miniscule cost of the top rate tax cut that screwed the economy. Not just ours, the Yen has collapsed, the Euro is also at a record low against the dollar, that's one hell of a global effect for a tax cut that cost a few billion quid in one country.

The plan is clear and obvious, provide a business friendly low tax environment to promote growth and hopefully stave off a potentially disastrous recession that is looming. I don't think people have grasped the dire situation we are in across the West, which is why radical action is necessary. I guess it's easier just to call people cunts and blame them for the global shitshow. In fact, our debt to gdp ratio is 6th out of the 7 G7 nations, only one below us is Germany, and they're even more screwed than we are and Winter is coming. If they go into recession, the entire pack of debt leveraged cards could come tumbling. Where we go from there, fuck knows.
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In all this shit. Both you and chippy keep in mentioning leftys. You really are entrenched in ideology aren't you. Not politics, just beating the lefties, winning the argument.


We're all concerned with a tanking economy. Are you at all interested in the shit they're causing? I mean remove your blinkers fgs.
 
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