The Conservative Party

bluethrunthru said:
Do they have no morality? Do they think we can't recall?

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They had a Tory on 5Live yesterday and it was put to him that Johnson couldn’t be a unifying candidate when he was forced out in disgrace 3 months ago by half the party refusing to work him.

His response was “yes but that was then”
 
Gaudion M said:
Notably dropped by LT as spending money outside of core Tory heartlands is non productive for the tory party. Its just words with zero delivery, just like his 40 hospitals. Also not been mentioned for a long time as the evidence gathered he never had any intention to build any new hospitals.
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The 40 new hospitals claim is exactly why no one should ever vote Conservative again. They wrote a whole book about what "new hospital" meant and included minor internal and external refurbishment to existing hospitals. How the fuck can any political party in this country be taken seriously when it lies so blatantly? There were 5 new hospitals proposed and 35 others were getting some work done. They just changed the definition of new within the document! They're absolute cunts. I usually stay quite calm regarding politics, but we've been lied to and fucked over repeatedly and they need dragging out asap.
 
Octavian said:
It was more the timing of it more than anything and how sudden and significant her changes were.

Sunak, who had been our chancellor for the last 2 years, stood on his podium during the leadership debate and stated that if she did it, the Pound would collapse, interest rates would sky rocket and she’d fuck everyone’s mortgages.

They all ignored him and went with her anyway.
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even more absurd why they would not get him the top job right now
 
supercity88 said:
The 40 new hospitals claim is exactly why no one should ever vote Conservative again. They wrote a whole book about what "new hospital" meant and included minor internal and external refurbishment to existing hospitals. How the fuck can any political party in this country be taken seriously when it lies so blatantly? There were 5 new hospitals proposed and 35 others were getting some work done. They just changed the definition of new within the document! They're absolute cunts. I usually stay quite calm regarding politics, but we've been lied to and fucked over repeatedly and they need dragging out asap.
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Yeah but Labour would be worse. Labour have ruined this country in the last 12 years and Labour are communists or something like that. (only argument I ever see from tories these days)
 
This country tolerates liars in high office.
It tolerates blatant corruption, including pouring millions into cronies' pockets.
It forgets and forgives evil deeds already done.
It takes ridiculous conspiracy theories seriously.
It doesn't mind a false narrative as long as the false narrative fits its prejudices.
This country deserves all it gets. At least half the Tories are as bad as LFC fans, deluded, bigoted and full of self-righteous BS.
 
BrianW said:
This country tolerates liars in high office.
It tolerates blatant corruption, including pouring millions into cronies' pockets.
It forgets and forgives evil deeds already done.
It takes ridiculous conspiracy theories seriously.
It doesn't mind a false narrative as long as the false narrative fits its prejudices.
This country deserves all it gets. At least half the Tories are as bad as LFC fans, deluded, bigoted and full of self-righteous BS.
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they tolerate all of it because it ''winds up the lefties''
 
Cassandra said:
If politicians, of all parties, were really in it for the good of the country, we would now be talking about a government of national unity combining the interests and talents of all parties and involving all regions of the UK. The fact that this is not even raised tells you everything you need to know about our politicians, in my view.
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hilts said:
I was being sarcastic he's a dick:-)
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Fair enough, I didn’t spot the sarcasm - perhaps becausethere are so many people who genuinely hold that view. I would really like understand how anyone can think that. Even Wallace the Defence Minister says he is leaning that way, and he always seemed like one of the more rational Tories in the Cabinet.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
"The Tory party has shown itself inept, riven with factionalism, contemptuous of the rule of law and exhausted of credible economic ideas."

A quote from an article in a major newspaper. It's not The Guardian, The Mirror or The New Statesman. It's the Financial Times. The FT!
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The Financial Times is pretty objective, to be honest. Like the money markets. But there are people out there who believe that the money markets, merchant banks, the stock exchange, you name it, are all dominated by 'lefties'. This is what I mean when I talk about delusions.

The serious money people don't give a stuff about political philosophy per se - they simply want to make more money or at least not lose what they have. The difficulties Truss ran into were caused by her deluded view of how the world works, a view, I have to say, that is shared by many.

But you know, it's all a Remainer/leftie/w.e.f/EU/digital money plot. They want to steal all our property and then monitor our spending to make sure we're not buying too many Airfix kits.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
"The Tory party has shown itself inept, riven with factionalism, contemptuous of the rule of law and exhausted of credible economic ideas."

A quote from an article in a major newspaper. It's not The Guardian, The Mirror or The New Statesman. It's the Financial Times. The FT!
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Hard to disagree with any of that tbh.
 
Can’t say I was ever very clear what his policies were as they seemed to change to suit whoever he was talking to and were basically just keep himself in power. He was not a lunatic ideologue like Truss.

Grant you it’s hard to tell whether he was a liar or incompetent at times, particularly as he would prefer to seem incompetent than have to admit a lie.

Anyone who doesn’t know when there has been a party in his own house, or that bawdy drunken “leaving do’s” were breaching the Covid regs he had set for the country has to be incompetent, but you are right, he is probably just very competent at lying.
 
Gaudion M said:
Interesting idea. Suggesting Labour / Lib dem agree not to stand against any tories that resign the whip.

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It's an interesting idea from a Tory point of view - a way of them keeping their seats that they deserve to lose for enabling the last 12 years of shite
 
nottsco2-0 said:
It's an interesting idea from a Tory point of view - a way of them keeping their seats that they deserve to lose for enabling the last 12 years of shite
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To force the GE now then L/LD would have to give up 40 seats. But Labour stand to gain 100's. They still win a massive majority. And they might not have gained those 40m anyway. Its harder for LD but if they think longer term a GE now would wipe out the tories. For them its worth a roll of the dice.
 
I don't post a lot these days - especially not on topics as divisive as politics. That said, I feel almost a sense of duty to nail my colours to the mast on what I'm seeing in Westminster at the moment. I feel like life has turned into a sketch written by Chris Morris, either that or I'm experiencing some kind of psychosis (possible).

Over the last 12 years, from my perspective the country has been subjected to a list of increasingly inept ideologues - each one worse than the last. And that goes for all the great offices of state - Chancellors, Home Secretaries, Foreign Secretaries and Prime Ministers. Each one seemingly in a struggle to show bravado over brain cells. And the bit that I just simply cannot wrap my head around is that people have facilitated this by voting for them.

You could write a thesis on the nostalgia goggles that has led to our country trying to self-immolate in a desperate plea to bring back the Empire. We're in a desperate death-spiral of self-harm - and now the party that put us there are emulating that with their own death-spiral. All at a time where people can't feed their children.

It beggars belief that I'm sat here hoping Rishi fucking Sunak is Prime Minister next week. And why? Because the alternative is that we have another two years of the country being run by an amorphous blob of law-breaking bumbling bullshit with no policies, three word slogans and a track record of protecting sex offenders. And the worst part? I'm actually worried that people would vote him in again at the next election!

The bit that pisses me off the most - and it gets me incandescent - is when I hear "they're all the same" in some weak attempt to exonerate the Tories from whatever scandal they're currently navigating. No. Absolutely not. They are not all the same. There's only one party who are a bunch of irresponsible, austerity peddling, fraud facilitating, Russian-backed, prorogueing, ministerial code-breaking, law-breaking, market crashing, refugee-hating, criminal protecting, zero IQ cunts... and it's the party that has that insane avant-garde art exhibition Michael Fabricant in its ranks (who in the actual fuck votes for him?).
 
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