Rishi Sunak

M16 citeh said:
Might not go down well on here but as a British Asian man I feel ashamed and betrayed that a man like rishi can claim to represent me, other immigrants and working class people through his vicious and calculated right wing politics that keeps us all fighting for scraps and fighting against each other. The only way his race is at all relevant is so the Tories can use him as a token to say look at us were not racist which is a laughable concept in reality as their politics are inherently racist.
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Put this better than I could.
 
Octavian said:
Rishi Sunak in introducing the furlough scheme, which was specifically his idea, gave out the biggest government handout in history (I think?)

The government paid 80% of people’s wages for months so they didn’t go to the wall under lockdown.

I wouldn’t class him as being someone who’s viscous and right wing.

He’s far less neoliberal than Osbourne and he’s far less culturally conservative than many others.

The Tories have a problem with racism, I think the fact the members didn’t put him in place instead of Truss is a problem but they’re not inherently racist, they’ve just had the most ethnically diverse cabinet in history twice in a row.
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Don't think it was his idea, I'm sure other countries announced one first. I think any government and any chancellor would have had no option but to introduce one.
 
Octavian said:
Rishi Sunak in introducing the furlough scheme, which was specifically his idea, gave out the biggest government handout in history (I think?)

The government paid 80% of people’s wages for months so they didn’t go to the wall under lockdown.

I wouldn’t class him as being someone who’s viscous and right wing.

He’s far less neoliberal than Osbourne and he’s far less culturally conservative than many others.

The Tories have a problem with racism, I think the fact the members didn’t put him in place instead of Truss is a problem but they’re not inherently racist, they’ve just had the most ethnically diverse cabinet in history twice in a row.
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I like to think countries all learnt from each other…

‘Boris Johnson’s government unveiled on Thursday (24 September) a massive new financial support package for businesses and employees, modelled on Germany’s ‘Kurzarbeit’ scheme, as the UK economy braces for six months of hardship from the second wave of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak announced the new rescue measures as part of a ‘Winter Recovery Plan’ for the UK economy and workers to weather the effects of the pandemic.’ @euract.
 
BobKowalski said:
I like to think countries all learnt from each other…

‘Boris Johnson’s government unveiled on Thursday (24 September) a massive new financial support package for businesses and employees, modelled on Germany’s ‘Kurzarbeit’ scheme, as the UK economy braces for six months of hardship from the second wave of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak announced the new rescue measures as part of a ‘Winter Recovery Plan’ for the UK economy and workers to weather the effects of the pandemic.’ @euract.
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He still did it and I meant it was his idea in Cabinet, whether he got it from elsewhere he pushed it here.

Not exactly “viscous”.
 
blueparrot said:
Don't think it was his idea, I'm sure other countries announced one first. I think any government and any chancellor would have had no option but to introduce one.
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It was above and beyond what Labour were calling for. But as this is Bluemoon, I guess there’s no point apportioning credit where it’s due.

Let’s just call him a rich **** and be done with it. That’s the level of political discourse around here.
 
Octavian said:
Rishi Sunak in introducing the furlough scheme, which was specifically his idea, gave out the biggest government handout in history (I think?)

The government paid 80% of people’s wages for months so they didn’t go to the wall under lockdown.

I wouldn’t class him as being someone who’s viscous and right wing.

He’s far less neoliberal than Osbourne and he’s far less culturally conservative than many others.

The Tories have a problem with racism, I think the fact the members didn’t put him in place instead of Truss is a problem but they’re not inherently racist, they’ve just had the most ethnically diverse cabinet in history twice in a row.
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That's an amazing rewrite of history.

There were already similar schemes in a number of countries across Europe and the rest of the world, and once the scheme was introduced in this country there was a huge fuss about it not including self-employed people - something that other European schemes did.

Far from being original, or his idea, most insider comments from other ministers have suggested he was more reluctant to spend than other members of the cabinet.

His record so far has been shaped by Boris being arguably the most populist PM the UK has seen, but whenever he's been given a chance to put forward his own views, he's made it clear that he's on the economic right of the Tories. It's interesting that you mention Osborne, because he's been all over the news recently pushing Sunak.
 
blueparrot said:
Don't think it was his idea, I'm sure other countries announced one first. I think any government and any chancellor would have had no option but to introduce one.
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I get that he’s a Tory and they’re not popular on this website (for good reason), but I feel many are blinkered against all of them and if one does something good it’s “well anyone would have done that”.

Labour were, if I remember correctly, calling for payments to individuals and businesses to help during the pandemic, they didn’t suggest paying the majority of the country 80% of their wages.

Starmer and Burnham were both congratulating Sunak at the time on what was a good policy.

He does deserve credit, despite being a Tory.
 
SWP's back said:
It was above and beyond what Labour were calling for. But as this is Bluemoon, I guess there’s no point apportioning credit where it’s due.

Let’s just call him a rich **** and be done with it. That’s the level of political discourse around here.
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That's cheap. People have pointed out that Sunak was following other countries lead when he introduced furlough, it wasn't any more generous than other comparable countries, and as I've explained, he was a voice in cabinet arguing for less, not more.

My argument is that Boris could take more credit for the generosity of the schemes, so hardly an anti-Tory argument.
 
bluenova said:
That's an amazing rewrite of history.

There were already similar schemes in a number of countries across Europe and the rest of the world, and once the scheme was introduced in this country there was a huge fuss about it not including self-employed people - something that other European schemes did.

Far from being original, or his idea, most insider comments from other ministers have suggested he was more reluctant to spend than other members of the cabinet.

His record so far has been shaped by Boris being arguably the most populist PM the UK has seen, but whenever he's been given a chance to put forward his own views, he's made it clear that he's on the economic right of the Tories. It's interesting that you mention Osborne, because he's been all over the news recently pushing Sunak.
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Packages were given elsewhere and he obviously got ideas from them but Sunak put together the package for Britain and delivered it in Britain.

It was him that put it together, announced it, and owned it.

And so what if Osbourne has backed him? We have them both being Chancellor to see how they’ve done and what their policies have been.

Osbourne pushed austerity in crisis, Sunak didn’t, he gave handouts.
 
bluenova said:
That's cheap. People have pointed out that Sunak was following other countries lead when he introduced furlough, it wasn't any more generous than other comparable countries, and as I've explained, he was a voice in cabinet arguing for less, not more.

My argument is that Boris could take more credit for the generosity of the schemes, so hardly an anti-Tory argument.
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No he wasn’t, he owned the furlough in Cabinet.
 
Octavian said:
Osbourne pushed austerity in crisis, Sunak didn’t, he gave handouts.
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Even Trump was desperate to have his name on covid handouts. Osborne would have done the same - just as every western country did.

Sunak may be more orthodox than Truss, but he's made it very clear throughout his political career that he's a full-on neoliberal, on the right of the Tory party economically. It's not a coincidence that Osborne has started popping up all over the place recently, and I expect that "tough choices" will be the mantra from now on.

Octavian said:
No he wasn’t, he owned the furlough in Cabinet.
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And yet he had to deny rumours that he threatened to quit if the country went into lockdown. Rumours that it's been suggested he may have started himself, as he's since been accused this Summer of rewriting history by just about everyone in the cabinet, when he said he was the lone voice arguing against lockdowns.

Given that he's pretty much the only person from the cabinet at that time arguing the govt overreacted, it seems odd to think he was the most enthusiastic and generous supporter of a scheme to keep people off work and at home.
 
bluenova said:
Even Trump was desperate to have his name on covid handouts. Osborne would have done the same - just as every western country did.

Sunak may be more orthodox than Truss, but he's made it very clear throughout his political career that he's a full-on neoliberal, on the right of the Tory party economically. It's not a coincidence that Osborne has started popping up all over the place recently, and I expect that "tough choices" will be the mantra from now on.


And yet he had to deny rumours that he threatened to quit if the country went into lockdown. Rumours that it's been suggested he may have started himself, as he's since been accused this Summer of rewriting history by just about everyone in the cabinet, when he said he was the lone voice arguing against lockdowns.

Given that he's pretty much the only person from the cabinet at that time arguing the govt overreacted, it seems odd to think he was the most enthusiastic and generous supporter of a scheme to keep people off work and at home.
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This whole post doesn’t read as believable sorry, it just seems to be hunches and presumptions you have and rumours rather than anything substantial.

You even managed to get Donald Trump in there somehow.
 
Octavian said:
This whole post doesn’t read as believable sorry, it just seems to be hunches and presumptions you have and rumours rather than anything substantial.

You even managed to get Donald Trump in there somehow.
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There has been a huge amount written about the covid lockdowns and I've not seen a single source suggesting Sunak was the voice of generosity in cabinet. I mentioned Trump because that's how ridiculous it is to give any western politician credit for a furlough scheme.

Here's Nigel Lawson's son discussing how Sunak is truly right wing (and with added details about Sunak being desperate to stop lockdowns).

www.dailymail.co.uk

DOMINIC LAWSON: Rishi Sunak is the real Right-winger

DOMINIC LAWSON: Rishi Sunak warned presciently that a policy of massive unfunded tax cuts would cause interest rates to spike upwards, to the great cost of mortgage holders.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Here's one of the stories from this Summer about his own claims to have been the lone voice in cabinet.

news.sky.com

Rishi Sunak faces backlash over lockdown criticism as claims branded 'dangerous rubbish'

Sunak said it was "wrong to empower" scientists and that he was gagged from talking about the negative impact of draconian restrictions - but scientists and No 10 insiders have dismissed the claims.
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Are we really to believe that despite being "the lone voice" trying to stop the govt going too far with lockdowns, he was also the biggest advocate of furlough being as generous as possible? That would seem odd from someone who, even after 12 years of the Tories tightening rules for benefit claimants, still believes that we need to be "much tougher on our welfare system to get people off benefits and into work."
 
bluenova said:
There has been a huge amount written about the covid lockdowns and I've not seen a single source suggesting Sunak was the voice of generosity in cabinet. I mentioned Trump because that's how ridiculous it is to give any western politician credit for a furlough scheme.

Here's Nigel Lawson's son discussing how Sunak is truly right wing (and with added details about Sunak being desperate to stop lockdowns).

www.dailymail.co.uk

DOMINIC LAWSON: Rishi Sunak is the real Right-winger

DOMINIC LAWSON: Rishi Sunak warned presciently that a policy of massive unfunded tax cuts would cause interest rates to spike upwards, to the great cost of mortgage holders.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Here's one of the stories from this Summer about his own claims to have been the lone voice in cabinet.

news.sky.com

Rishi Sunak faces backlash over lockdown criticism as claims branded 'dangerous rubbish'

Sunak said it was "wrong to empower" scientists and that he was gagged from talking about the negative impact of draconian restrictions - but scientists and No 10 insiders have dismissed the claims.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

Are we really to believe that despite being "the lone voice" trying to stop the govt going too far with lockdowns, he was also the biggest advocate of furlough being as generous as possible? That would seem odd from someone who, even after 12 years of the Tories tightening rules for benefit claimants, still believes that we need to be "much tougher on our welfare system to get people off benefits and into work."
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Have to you read the full articles?

It states that Sunak was against lockdowns for Omicron late 2021 and he was a lone voice saying the scientists were overdoing their predictions.

And guess what?

He was fucking right wasn’t he.

We didn’t lockdown and it proved beyond doubt to be the right decision.

This was over a year after the original lockdown, which he wasn’t against, he was brand new in the job and his first big announcement was the furlough scheme.

If it wasn’t his baby, who’s was it?

The reason your Trump comparison was silly is because it was Sunak’s specific job to decide on a financial package, with the Premier then signing it off. Trump wasn’t the equivalent of Sunak was he?
 
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