Yes, it’s 2 years away, that’s the long term in politics.
What does “as soon as possible” mean?
Truss promised to cut tax and increase public spending, hence the £60bn black hole.
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What does “as soon as possible” mean?
Truss promised to cut tax and increase public spending, hence the £60bn black hole.
Eccles Blue
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You didn’t watch any of the Covid updates for 2 years?
He spoke a lot then, you know, when he was Chancellor of the country
Sorry second reply after a little more thought;
I need to add that I have not always been a bury my head in the sand person on the political front. I have done my stint over the years and started to change when Blair and his cohorts came to power.
I was overjoyed when we got a Labour Government but became disillusioned and disappointed.
To give you an idea of me. When I retired I was granted a Life Membership of my Union for my work in many roles but especially for my time as a Benevolence officer. So even then I saw the struggles of working class people, including myself at one time.
Now, partly I suppose because I’m not 100% on the health front, I am weary and depressed by it all.
Sorry for the long post. Stay safe and take care everyone. :-)
You might be older than meSorry second reply after a little more thought;
I need to add that I have not always been a bury my head in the sand person on the political front. I have done my stint over the years and started to change when Blair and his cohorts came to power.
I was overjoyed when we got a Labour Government but became disillusioned and disappointed.
To give you an idea of me. When I retired I was granted a Life Membership of my Union for my work in many roles but especially for my time as a Benevolence officer. So even then I saw the struggles of working class people, including myself at one time.
Now, partly I suppose because I’m not 100% on the health front, I am weary and depressed by it all.
Sorry for the long post. Stay safe and take care everyone. :-)
Eccles Blue
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*lol* 81 years young. Four people in the last 9 days have told me I look a lot younger, one being my doctor, (I don’t act my age either as some of my daft posts confirm!) :-)You might be older than me
I genuinely have no answer. If you think "opposite economic policies" are:Yes, it’s 2 years away, that’s the long term in politics.
What does “as soon as possible” mean?
Truss promised to cut tax and increase public spending, hence the £60bn black hole.
1. cut spending + cut some taxes now, others by 2024, and make huge cuts to income tax in the next Parliament (when the 19% cut was announced it was highlighted as the lowest ever basic rate in the modern tax system, so 16% is a huge deal).
2. cut spending + cut more taxes now.
then I can't do any more.
I really thought there were other options which sounded more like opposites, like increasing taxes, or even keeping them the same, or even not cutting public services, or borrowing to invest in infrastructure to encourage growth.
I am now imagining a world where people believe that losing 1-0 to a goal in the second half is the opposite of losing 1-0 to a goal in the first half.
You've totally blown my mind with your new paradigm.
Len Rum
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Loved that bit at the end of his poor speech when he did a Truss
i.e. stopped , paused for what seemed like an eternity, said nothing and then suddenly walked off.
Embarrasing Jeff.
i.e. stopped , paused for what seemed like an eternity, said nothing and then suddenly walked off.
Embarrasing Jeff.
j.cbluelongsight
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Tax Payers Money Get it right he was like a roid head with his amex down a brass house dishing it out I also agree I think labour have a bigger racist problem in house than the tories both as rotten as each otherRishi Sunak in introducing the furlough scheme, which was specifically his idea, gave out the biggest government handout in history (I think?)
The government paid 80% of people’s wages for months so they didn’t go to the wall under lockdown.
I wouldn’t class him as being someone who’s viscous and right wing.
He’s far less neoliberal than Osbourne and he’s far less culturally conservative than many others.
The Tories have a problem with racism, I think the fact the members didn’t put him in place instead of Truss is a problem but they’re not inherently racist, they’ve just had the most ethnically diverse cabinet in history twice in a row.
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Eccles Blue
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Loved that bit at the end of his poor speech when he did a Truss
i.e. stopped , paused for what seemed like an eternity, said nothing and then suddenly walked off.
Embarrasing Jeff.
Did you not see the man on his knees behind him winding the key a bit more? Clockwork toy! ;-)
You know he was keeping the vast majority of taxes for now.I genuinely have no answer. If you think "opposite economic policies" are:
1. cut spending + cut some taxes now, others by 2024, and make huge cuts to income tax in the next Parliament (when the 19% cut was announced it was highlighted as the lowest ever basic rate in the modern tax system, so 16% is a huge deal).
2. cut spending + cut more taxes now.
then I can't do any more.
I really thought there were other options which sounded more like opposites, like increasing taxes, or even keeping them the same, or even not cutting public services, or borrowing to invest in infrastructure to encourage growth.
I am now imagining a world where people believe that losing 1-0 to a goal in the second half is the opposite of losing 1-0 to a goal in the first half.
You've totally blown my mind with your new paradigm.
You know she was cutting tax at all levels.
You know he said interest rates would Sky rocket and the Pound collapse if she did it now.
That was the platform they both stood on.
You’re trying any way which way you can manipulate it so they look the same, they weren’t.
You’re being disingenuous, which you have been all day about everything.
You’re either living on another planet or are knowingly being misleading.
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Plenty of edits with the windows close down them being added.Loved that bit at the end of his poor speech when he did a Truss
i.e. stopped , paused for what seemed like an eternity, said nothing and then suddenly walked off.
Embarrasing Jeff.
Think the biggest hurdle is no one is taking the tories as a serious government anymore, and I don't think he will be able to turn that tide of opinion
Alan Harper's Tash
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How long before the first no confidence letter hits Brady’s pigeonhole?Plenty of edite with the windows close down them being added.
Think the biggest hurdle is no one is taking the tories as a serious government anymore, and I don't think he will be able to turn that tide of opinion
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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He was Chancellor THREE months ago and he was chief secretary to the treasure before that so, contrary to what’s being suggested, he’s not going to be trying to clear up someone else’s mess………
I never said they were the same, I said they weren't opposites. The first post you replied to would have had the original post I was commenting on, and I've reminded you in case you missed it.You know he was keeping the vast majority of taxes for now.
You know she was cutting tax at all levels.
You know he said interest rates would Sky rocket and the Pound collapse if she did it now.
That was the platform they both stood on.
You’re trying any way which way you can manipulate it so they look the same, they weren’t.
You’re being disingenuous.
Someone said "His economic plans were the opposite of Liz Truss"
The truth is that his economic plans were very similar to Liz Truss (cut taxes/cut spending), but the timing of some of his tax cuts was more conservative.
That's not the opposite, that's different flavours of right-wing ice cream.
Can you really not see any other options apart from the timing of cutting taxes and cutting spending?
meltonblue
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Well if you did watch it late last year, you’ll have seen that the scientists were saying we need to lockdown urgently to avoid mass Omicron deaths.
Sunak said it was a weaker strain and we need to learn to live with it. Thankfully Johnson agreed and we didn’t lockdown, and Sunak was proven right.
It’s worth saying his account of it was disputed by several people close to it at the time.
Prestwich_Blue
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Oh dear. You're not much better. That'd give 57% and 45%. I think you meant to put 43.5%.56.5% and 44.5% would give those figures but someone should have checked it didn’t then look silly
I didn’t miss it.I never said they were the same, I said they weren't opposites. The first post you replied to would have had the original post I was commenting on, and I've reminded you in case you missed it.
Someone said "His economic plans were the opposite of Liz Truss"
The truth is that his economic plans were very similar to Liz Truss (cut taxes/cut spending), but the timing of some of his tax cuts was more conservative.
That's not the opposite, that's different flavours of right-wing ice cream.
Can you really not see any other options apart from the timing of cutting taxes and cutting spending?
You’re wrong.
His policy was to get back to a low tax economy in the longer term but the platform he campaigned on was reducing inflation now, and doing so by keeping the majority of taxes as they are.
That was, in general terms, the opposite of what she wanted to do. It’s the major reason she won, because the idiot idealists in that party wanted low taxes now.
You can stick your fingers in your ears and keep repeating “low tax, cut spending” all you want but that’s not what Sunak campaigned on and what he’s not going to do now.
Alan Harper's Tash
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Have you thought about becoming Rishi’s spokesperson?I didn’t miss it.
You’re wrong.
His policy was to get back to a low tax economy in the longer term but the platform he campaigned on was reducing inflation now, and doing so by keeping the majority of taxes as they are.
That was, in general terms, the opposite of what she wanted to do. It’s the major reason she won, because the idiot idealists in that party wanted low taxes now.
You can stick your fingers in your ears and keep repeating “low tax, cut spending” all you want but that’s not what Sunak campaigned on and what he’s not going to do now.
You woke up this morning and chose violence!
Who by?It’s worth saying his account of it was disputed by several people close to it at the time.
This is what happens when you’re retired and it’s a rainy Monday !Have you thought about becoming Rishi’s spokesperson?
You woke up this morning and chose violence!