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Metal Biker said:
No, of course it isn't anywhere near as bad as the above statements... but it is still reprimandable and was rightly deleted and action taken. Comparing one awful statement to another awful statement, in an attempt to justify it as not being as bad, still doesn't neutralise the initial sentiment that was said as being acceptable.

It was deleted because it was reprehensible to suggest that Sunak isn't representative of the Asian community because of his living status. What sort of message does that send? "Rich" Asians aren't real Asians because real Asians are meant to be from poorer backgrounds, otherwise they aren't an accurate representation of the community at large? Being of Indian and Hindu heritage isn't what Sunak is trying to be, it's who he is. It's a very odd specific for Nadia Whittome to attack him on.
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She didn’t say he wasn’t representative of the Asian community though, she said he wasn’t a win for Asian representation.

It was deleted because the politics of it weren’t good, as a lot of people would interpret it in the way you have there (and that interpretation is more worrying than anything she said). I’d agree that it didn’t need the multimillionaire reference in there although I think that was more referencing a political point of the rich looking after the rich, I’d also argue though that plenty of people say that rich MPs aren’t representative of them and have done for decades. Not sure what’s different in this case from her perspective.
 
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ctwrd said:
Rayner today said the government made irresponsible spending plans and then in the next breath said the government is wrong to cut back.
Totally contradictory and this is the problem. They seem to be banking on getting into power by the Tories losing it rather than them winning it.
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Until we get the - put back again !! - budget with ONS conclusions to go with it they cannot really challenge/say much that is a challenge - my guess is the ONS report is in - its bad - and Hunt is looking to tailor a budget that fits the ONS report
 
Don Karleone said:
Disagree with it, by all means, getting it deleted and a telling off for it? It isn't like she said she was going to "break him as a man" or
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anything as bad as that, is it?
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If thats real Plod should be knocking on a few doors in the morning
 
Postman Pep said:
Tip of the iceberg

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Great documentaries that expose the toxic hold far right Israeli politics has on our system. I recommend anyone with the time and an open mind gives them a watch. However, they have to be viewed as being through the al Jazeera prism - not AS, but certainly pro-arab/ Palestine so not impartial.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
If she’s against the main point of Labour getting the vote, then she’s against change.

Very simply, the Unions no longer have the huge sway that they had, they are no longer relevant in this current society.

Things need to change. When people see Sunak as the best alternative then you know things are really wrong. An absolute **** in many books where even his own constituents worry about him.

It will be your choice. Vote for or vote against, you may have that final vote. However, beware of what you vote for, Bluemoon will always have a say ;-)
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6.5 million people ‘no longer relevant’?
 
meltonblue said:
She didn’t say he wasn’t representative of the Asian community though, she said he wasn’t a win for Asian representation.

It was deleted because the politics of it weren’t good, as a lot of people would interpret it in the way you have there (and that interpretation is more worrying than anything she said). I’d agree that it didn’t need the multimillionaire reference in there although I think that was more referencing a political point of the rich looking after the rich, I’d also argue though that plenty of people say that rich MPs aren’t representative of them and have done for decades. Not sure what’s different in this case from her perspective.
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Something to do with Nadia being a leftwing MP [who donates half her salary to charity, plus care worker wages during the pandemic] and the poster being a breximentalist?
 
Corky said:
The Qataris saying the Labour Party has internal politics and isn't democratic.

Sharia Law is what they prefer Postman, try that.
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The Qataris said what ..... I must have missed that episode :)

I take your point. It's not ideal that the network it was shown is owned by the Qatari state and therefore cannot be considered as entirely free and independent. Would they for example commission a documentary that exposed health and safety standards on Qatari building sites? Absolutely not.

It is also problematic because it provides an easy get out clause for people to dismiss it out of hand. In an ideal world it would have been broadcast on one of our own networks, so what does it say about them?
What happened to the likes of World in Action and Dispatches? More to the point what the fuck has happened to Panaroma and the BBC in general.
The credibility of that 2019 doc has been shot to pieces not only by AJ but also by the Forde report, which highlighted an e-mail that was presented out of context to change it's meaning, heard that before! Thats one big glass house we are throwing stones at Al-Jazeera from when it comes to state owned broadcasters.
 
mat said:
By the media unless Sunak turns around the polls and is a few points off before a GE must be called.
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It was more aimed at a few on here who haven't watched it. Still no answer to my Rosie Duffield question either. Racism and transphobia are okay with people these days it seems.
 
Bigga said:
Honestly shocking to read that!

Might as well say he's against safety regulations and wage rises in a cost of living crisis!

The minds of some people!
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Fucking hell, how to skew a conversation.

The context of the statement was with regard to how, in this current era, what control they have on the Labour Party.

However, you both knew that, didn’t you, and just tried the usual ‘discredit, disinfo tactic’.

May as well be Donald Trump.
 
Don Karleone said:



Is anybody able to tell me what she said that was wrong?
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Pretty sure she's of Asian descent, so can say what she wants as she has a dog in the fight.

Never understand how another race can cite what's 'problematic' in that kind of situation as they don't live in their shoes.

She's done nowt wrong in my eyes.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Fucking hell, how to skew a conversation.

The context of the statement was with regard to how, in this current era, what control they have on the Labour Party.

However, you both knew that, didn’t you, and just tried the usual ‘discredit, disinfo tactic’.

May as well be Donald Trump.
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You put your statement in no context whatsoever. You should read it again and others have pulled you up on it.

Without unions, we wouldn't have the safety we have now, we wouldn't have the pay we have now, nor the ability to have paid holidays, sickness pay and more besides. Do you think businesses would have freely done any of that?

You were extremely short sighted and have doubled down on your nonsense instead of retracting that statement or reframed it better.

I don't expect it any time soon, either.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Are you one of those 6.5 million and are you voting Labour?
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Yes and yes. Not that it’ll do any good mind as I’m in a seat that would happily elect Truss if she stood here, even after the last few weeks.

That being said, I’d happily vote Liberal if the Labour Party were clever enough not to stand here.
 
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