You think they are? They should be but what you try to extort leaves you lacking.The unions are no longer relevant ........ what a line
None of that makes any sense whatsoever. ..... But they again I've just seen your post about Sunak so I can't even be arsed to refute the anger accusation. Fucking happy days lol.You think they are? They should be but what you try to extort leaves you lacking.
I would love for the Unions to have a real say, the truth is you are just a very angry faction.
I’m thinking you have been burnt for being left-wing Labour. Nobody could have you for that and whatever my thoughts on the overall outcome, we all have central denomination.None of that makes any sense whatsoever. ..... But they again I've just seen your post about Sunak so I can't even be arsed to refute the anger accusation. Fucking happy days lol.
⁹p⁰⁹Plenty of stories about her criticising Starmer. Here’s one.
https://labourlist.org/2020/07/star...-action-as-activists-back-green-new-deal/?amp
Seems her support is for the Corbynite part of the party.
Rightly or wrongly Starmer is marginalising that faction. Blaming on a Twitter like is disingenuous imo.
No offence pal but I have no idea what any of that means but whatever it is I suspect it's well wide of the mark.I’m thinking you have been burnt for being left-wing Labour. Nobody could have you for that and whatever my thoughts on the overall outcome, we all have central denomination.
Lost me there I’m afraid.⁹p⁰⁹
No offence taken, we’re probably very much in tune. However, it’s hard, hence people don’t express who they are and choose to hide their bloc.No offence pal but I have no idea what any of that means but whatever it is I suspect it's well wide of the mark.
Absolutely, but the very fact that rather than say socialists we have been conditioned to use the perjorative term 'corbynites' speaks volumes for what is going on.Can’t really argue with that. It's clearly a calculation by Starmer that marginalising Corbynites will gain more votes than it loses even if it goes against normal processes.
It’s all going to depend on people’s memories now I think, which will make it close.Interesting challenge lies ahead for Labour now. They know they won’t get a general election any time soon, save for unforeseen circumstances, which means they will have to keep the heat on the new prime minister and his team. It is also unlikely that the mayhem will continue amongst the Conservatives, so it is going to be quite strange returning to ‘normal’ politics, based on policies rather than on myriad distractions.
Yes - but they know tories are all over the shop with rifts and internal strife. Labour just need to nudge and poke the bear. Some stuff has massive public opposition - like fracking or free ports.Interesting challenge lies ahead for Labour now. They know they won’t get a general election any time soon, save for unforeseen circumstances, which means they will have to keep the heat on the new prime minister and his team. It is also unlikely that the mayhem will continue amongst the Conservatives, so it is going to be quite strange returning to ‘normal’ politics, based on policies rather than on myriad distractions.
True. Much will depend on what happens in the next 18 months, and whether the Conservatives can recapture some of their reputation and claw back some points in the opinion polls. Some of that will inevitably happen, particularly if they can avoid the self-inflicted wounding, but that will put pressure on Labour to keep it together, too.It’s all going to depend on people’s memories now I think, which will make it close.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see a coalition in 2024.
I wonder if Starmer will grant the SNP a referendum in favour of a coalition? Probably not
Yes, but as I mentioned in another thread, that mayhem will probably not last now, so Labour will see its ‘lead’ shrink and when that happens, maintaining its own discipline will be key. Interesting times for different reasons.Yes - but they know tories are all over the shop with rifts and internal strife. Labour just need to nudge and poke the bear. Some stuff has massive public opposition - like fracking or free ports.
Sunak certainly a more difficult challenge than Boris or truss. I still think labour will win the next GE wether it's in two weeks or two years, but now starmer finds himself confronting a fellow neo liberal 'centrist' rather that an outright Tory right winger (at least in terms of presentation) he will have to fight to gain a workable majority. Much easier against Boris or truss when he could just stay quiet and sit on his hands while they humiliated themselves.Yes, but as I mentioned in another thread, that mayhem will probably not last now, so Labour will see its ‘lead’ shrink and when that happens, maintaining its own discipline will be key. Interesting times for different reasons.
They have made people's mortgages more expensive?I tried to listen to a couple of the Labour reactions last night but it reminded me why I stopped listening to any politicians after Brexit. Why can they not have a proper debate on Issues rather than just making shit up to create a false perception. Yvette Cooper was getting pressed on what Labour would do in response to the financial crisis. Her final answer was that the Tories have made everyone's mortgages more expensive. Either she is not clever enough to understand the macro-economic factors that have led to the recent inflation or maybe she thinks the general population are not clever enough, either way, I'm out!
I would have agreed with you up until he appointed Braverman which has demonstrated the same lack of judgment apparent in his predecessors. No reason to believe he won’t continue to get things spectacularly wrong.Sunak certainly a more difficult challenge than Boris or truss. I still think labour will win the next GE wether it's in two weeks or two years, but now starmer finds himself confronting a fellow neo liberal 'centrist' rather that an outright Tory right winger (at least in terms of presentation) he will have to fight to gain a workable majority. Much easier against Boris or truss when he could just stay quiet and sit on his hands while they humiliated themselves.
We can but hope.I would have agreed with you up until he appointed Braverman which has demonstrated the same lack of judgment apparent in his predecessors. No reason to believe he won’t continue to get things spectacularly wrong.