I think the case of the “Beatles” disproves your theory, I know you posted “most” but that’s a very subjective opening polemic.Most ISIS fighters from here come back disillusioned rather than dangerous. The foreign fighters are generally not trusted by the hard core Arab fighters and generally end up cleaning the bogs, brewing up or as in Begums case getting used as a sperm receptacle. Most would be back within days, but the first thing IS do is take their passports off them. They sell a myth like a 30's Errol Flynn movie Bollywood style on line and the reality for the foreign wannabees is obviously disappointing
That's where the security services come in I suppose. They essentially do a risk assessment on a case by case basis to try and decide which ones are all mouth and no trousers, and which are likely to blow themselves up etc.I think the case of the “Beatles” disproves your theory, I know you posted “most” but that’s a very subjective opening polemic.
A lot would have come back disillusioned but that’s because they eventually got a right twatting, which was fully deserved.
pure speculation. but where is my prejudice that consevative muslims are sleepers for terrorism?Do you actually know that they had met, or have confirmed reports of family friends doing that?
Otherwise it is just an assumption to support your prejudice that conservative muslims are "sleepers" for terrorism.
pure speculation. but where is my prejudice that consevative muslims are sleepers for terrorism?
you are guessing that it was only online grooming. Unless you have access to all the information which I doubt, like me, you dont.
That's where the security services come in I suppose. They essentially do a risk assessment on a case by case basis to try and decide which ones are all mouth and no trousers, and which are likely to blow themselves up etc.
Do you actually know that they had met, or have confirmed reports of family friends doing that?
Otherwise it is just an assumption to support your prejudice that conservative muslims are "sleepers" for terrorism.
How is going to Syria to fight the Syrian government (if that was what it was) treason against Britain?
It's somebody going abroad to fight a foreign war. Thousands of Brits have done that throughout recent history on various sides. The difference this time was that she chose a side the British government didn't approve of
Still doesn't make it treason.
You can believe that; you can’t prove it though.bollocks
So you’re speculating like we all are.It’s an inference, from you continuing almost the same line despite being told that you had mixed up the girls.
It’s up for you to prove the evidence of it, if you have any evidence to suggest otherwise, I'm happy to read it.
Imagine how many more jails we’d need if it was…..Being a **** isn’t a criminal conviction, sadly.
The House of Commons would echo.Imagine how many more jails we’d need if it was…..
Just a side note…have a think of what she joined and the reports of what she was involved in. Horrific reports and just because she says sorry doesn’t wash.
Just have a little think of the barbarity of what she and her friends joined and what agreed with.
C.Wing would have a new meaning.Imagine how many more jails we’d need if it was…..
Guessing at anything!! if I am you are too.
You are guessing at her motives, regrets and beliefs.
Maybe we all take a step back as we dont know many things about what is going on.
Doubt if you will tho.
Obviously. Any other interpretation is naive / idiotic.An interesting point was made at the hearing by an MI6 agent. He stated she was 15 at the time she went abroad, she was intelligent with anticipated grades in exams of A and A+. She was not uneducated, she knew or must have known what IS were doing and the horrors they had alrwady committed. He stated she made the decision to go.
I'm sure you're a nice guy and everything but you don't half talk absolute bollocks mate.Are you suggesting that people who do good things enable terrorism, whilst people who do bad things stop terrorism.
"If she could walk that back, she would 100%."I haven't speculated on anything except her age, time of act, coercion/ grooming at said age of act and current adult status.
We're, totally, at different places in reasoning.
"If she could walk that back, she would 100%."
How do you know that? Speculation only.
Ffs do you not understand that people say things to get what they want. She wants to get back here and will say anything.It's not speculation if she's already expressed regret for her actions and wants to come back and serve time for her past actions if a jury of her peers deems she should.
For fuck's sakes, are you just trying to score stupid points??
How do you not see that she would walk back that comment to get onside if she's retracted her past behaviour? You have someone liking your nonsensical point without think about the whole thing objectively.
Good fucking grief!!
That's the rules we have made and the game she has to play though surely? If our objection to her return is based upon being in Isis and saying certain things, then not being in Isis anymore and not saying those things is simply a logical (possibly cynical) step on her part to enable her return. As far as I'm aware she's not accused of terrorism (although membership/support of a proscribed group is in itself an offence) so we are in the legally precarious position of treating her this way because of something she's said?Ffs do you not understand that people say things to get what they want. She wants to get back here and will say anything.
Can’t believe you are so gullable
Good fucking grief.