England v USA – Fri 25th Nov, 19:00 | Group B | World Cup 2022

[kalouk]

The problem with the clamour to start Phil is it puts unnecessary pressure on him. A shit underperforming England display and everyone expects Phil to come in and transform them into world beaters. That's if he's even picked of course.

This is what is worrying me now. It was stupid not to bring him on vs the USA but now its gone a bit over the top imo. Southgate will still play the same dull football if Phil plays and he can't change that by himself I hope the weight of expectation doesn't play on his mind. All this could have been avoided if the idiot had made the obvious move and brought Phil on early last game then there would be less pressure on him and no pressure on Phil.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Not a fan of flying so thunderstorms while doing it...hell

Nah…no biggie. It’s just physics and good decision making…like driving without the hard surface beneath the wheels! Oh yeah, and a few extra buttons! ;-)

 

[ChicagoBlue]

This is what is worrying me now. It was stupid not to bring him on vs the USA but now its gone a bit over the top imo. Southgate will still play the same dull football if Phil plays and he can't change that by himself I hope the weight of expectation doesn't play on his mind. All this could have been avoided if the idiot had made the obvious move and brought Phil on early last game then there would be less pressure on him and no pressure on Phil.

The other thing is that if he starts Foden now, it looks like he’s buckled to public pressure, and if Phil doesn’t play a 9/10, Waistcoat looks like he may have been right all along!

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Poor decision for a foul, that.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Poor decision for a foul, that.

Think your stream is a bit behind, mate.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Think your stream is a bit behind, mate.

Haha, obvs posted in the wrong thread!

 

[Hoghead]

After a weekend on the beer I have come to the conclusion that all the England players were too scared of making a mistake, played like a rabbit caught in headlights.

 

[cheekybids]

This is what is worrying me now. It was stupid not to bring him on vs the USA but now its gone a bit over the top imo. Southgate will still play the same dull football if Phil plays and he can't change that by himself I hope the weight of expectation doesn't play on his mind. All this could have been avoided if the idiot had made the obvious move and brought Phil on early last game then there would be less pressure on him and no pressure on Phil.

The most worrying thing to me was his answer stating he can only play Foden on the wing. It shows him to be a absolute dinosaur of a coach, blind & incompetent who doesn’t know his players.

The fact Madison also has been playing on the wing for Leicester means he’s taken 6 wingers & 1 x 10 in Mount. ( More of an 8 than a 10 )

He’s made insinuations that Foden can’t look after the ball & any player that can dribble is a winger as it should only be tried on the safety of the wing.

His whole press conference was littered with contradictions,

We knew how hard it was going to be, USA are totally different set up to Iran so I played the same 11.

The players were really tired, despite this I played the same 11.

He’s a gobshite & fortunate that the tournament is littered with shit 2nd rate coaches. International football is now so far behind club football.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The most worrying thing to me was his answer stating he can only play Foden on the wing. It shows him to be a absolute dinosaur of a coach, blind & incompetent who doesn’t know his players.

The fact Madison also has been playing on the wing for Leicester means he’s taken 6 wingers & 1 x 10 in Mount. ( More of an 8 than a 10 )

He’s made insinuations that Foden can’t look after the ball & any player that can dribble is a winger as it should only be tried on the safety of the wing.

His whole press conference was littered with contradictions,

We knew how hard it was going to be, USA are totally different set up to Iran so I played the same 11.

The players were really tired, despite this I played the same 11.

He’s a gobshite & fortunate that the tournament is littered with shit 2nd rate coaches. International football is now so far behind club football.

The bloke is a complete contradiction. Even though he’s achieved more than most, one has to ask if he could’ve done better with this team?

 

[cheekybids]

The bloke is a complete contradiction. Even though he’s achieved more than most, one has to ask if he could’ve done better with this team?

He’s blessed with seeding looking after England providing fortunate pathways to latter part.

He’ll be sacked after the tournament & the new coach will have to navigate a tougher group due to poor national league results. They’ll then say look how well he did but who would want him to coach their club. International management is now for failed coaches. After watching Belgium he’s in good company with Martinez.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

The other thing is that if he starts Foden now, it looks like he’s buckled to public pressure, and if Phil doesn’t play a 9/10, Waistcoat looks like he may have been right all along!

We've been here before.
Mexico 86 - had to win the 3rd game after 2 shite performances. Bobby Robson in charge but the players allegedly had a bit of a rebellion and things were said / changed. Lineker got a hatrick and England progressed......

 

[SebastianBlue]

 

[ChicagoBlue]

The sad part is that Pep develops players to play ANYWHERE in his system, yet Southgate appears to have picked pigeons for holes, not realizing that Foden can play any one of 5 attacking positions (4 in Southgate’s 4-2-3-1 set up).

The game was crying out for Grealish, Foden & Rashford to replace the 3 AMs and play at pace, attacking a tiring USA team with significantly less depth on their bench.

Additionally, he needed the FBs to get the ball into the channels much quicker instead of relying on the outside AMs (Sterling & Saka, then Greslish and Rashford) to hold onto the ball and wait for the overlap.

With Spurs, Kane does a great job of dropping in deep to pick up the ball, lay it off to a midfielder, and them slot it into the channels for Son or Kulashevski (sp?) or Moura to run onto.

In the England set up, we are so conservative that not only do we not have the players making that run into the channels, but we don’t have the talent in midfield to find that pass even if it is on.

Against Wales, it would be criminal not to play an established 4-3-3, with speed on the flanks and Bellingham and Foden either side of Rice/Henderson/Phillips.

Not only would it give us an attacking 5, but with the DM slotting back between the CBs, thus freeing up the FBs to get down the line or into a more inverted midfield role, it could give us a smothering attacking 7 that doesn’t let them out of their own half!

Of course, it’ll be 4-2-3-1 with a slight shuffle of personnel, at most, because a loss to a poor Wales team would be a complete embarrassment! Also, expect their back up keeper to have a blinder!!

 

[East Level 2]

We've been here before.
Mexico 86 - had to win the 3rd game after 2 shite performances. Bobby Robson in charge but the players allegedly had a bit of a rebellion and things were said / changed. Lineker got a hatrick and England progressed......

We don't need to win though.
Win and we top the group.
Draw and we qualify, and we will still win the group unless Iran beat the USA or USA win by more than four.
Lose and we will still qualify unless Wales beat us by more than three. We could even lose and top the group if it's by less than three and Iran and USA draw.

 

[flb]

I couldn't give two shits if England get beat off Wales and we are on the first available plane home on Wednesday tbh. We just aren't going to win a tournament under donkey features playing handbrake football. We all know that Grealish, Foden and Walker should start every game , Grealish and Foden in tandem out wide and centrally is what this team needs, its just that eee awww cant see it.

 

[MaskedAguero10]

The sad part is that Pep develops players to play ANYWHERE in his system, yet Southgate appears to have picked pigeons for holes, not realizing that Foden can play any one of 5 attacking positions (4 in Southgate’s 4-2-3-1 set up).

The game was crying out for Grealish, Foden & Rashford to replace the 3 AMs and play at pace, attacking a tiring USA team with significantly less depth on their bench.

Additionally, he needed the FBs to get the ball into the channels much quicker instead of relying on the outside AMs (Sterling & Saka, then Greslish and Rashford) to hold onto the ball and wait for the overlap.

With Spurs, Kane does a great job of dropping in deep to pick up the ball, lay it off to a midfielder, and them slot it into the channels for Son or Kulashevski (sp?) or Moura to run onto.

In the England set up, we are so conservative that not only do we not have the players making that run into the channels, but we don’t have the talent in midfield to find that pass even if it is on.

Against Wales, it would be criminal not to play an established 4-3-3, with speed on the flanks and Bellingham and Foden either side of Rice/Henderson/Phillips.

Not only would it give us an attacking 5, but with the DM slotting back between the CBs, thus freeing up the FBs to get down the line or into a more inverted midfield role, it could give us a smothering attacking 7 that doesn’t let them out of their own half!

Of course, it’ll be 4-2-3-1 with a slight shuffle of personnel, at most, because a loss to a poor Wales team would be a complete embarrassment! Also, expect their back up keeper to have a blinder!!

Southgate believes that Foden will not give him the control that England needs in the midfield and due to that aspect hasn't been able to play centrally for city and therefore does not consider him an option centrally as well for England.

I don't disagree in the sense that picking Foden won't help with control of matches and will introduce some risk into the game but at this point, I think Southgate needs to weigh up the positives and negatives of Phil being in the starting XI and will find out that there should be far more positives than negatives, particularly in the chance creation department which England is lacking in right now.

 

[mexico1970]

Rashford complaining about the England team getting booed off the pitch.

Well don't be shit then fish finger fingerer.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

We don't need to win though.
Win and we top the group.
Draw and we qualify, and we will still win the group unless Iran beat the USA or USA win by more than four.
Lose and we will still qualify unless Wales beat us by more than three. We could even lose and top the group if it's by less than three and Iran and USA draw.

Yeah I meant from the style of play rather than results. It needs the players to tell Southgate to loosen the shackles

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Southgate believes that Foden will not give him the control that England needs in the midfield and due to that aspect hasn't been able to play centrally for city and therefore does not consider him an option centrally as well for England.

I don't disagree in the sense that picking Foden won't help with control of matches and will introduce some risk into the game but at this point, I think Southgate needs to weigh up the positives and negatives of Phil being in the starting XI and will find out that there should be far more positives than negatives, particularly in the chance creation department which England is lacking in right now.

England’s “possession” stats are “Stones - Maguire - Stones - Maguire - Stones” numbers and have, as clearly seen in the USA game, NOTHING to do with maintaining possession further up the field and creating chances.

The problem with England is that we THINK we have one of the best strikers in the world, yet we created NOTHING for him to feed on! In the USA game, he had one header of note!

We showed zero threat down the line or around the edge of the box, so appear to be relying on someone, from God only knows where, to find Kane in front of goal!

Indeed, when you look at the Iran game, we played fast, down the channels, and got goals from everywhere EXCEPT the CF position! Against the USA, we played ultra-conservative “tournament football” and created almost nothing for anyone!

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

USA bossed the mid, and deserved all 3 points. England were far too timid.

Great result for the USA and not a bad result for England. Hopefully both squads advance to the knockout stage.