How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[gordondaviesmoustache]

There used to be someone all over the brexit thread outlining why us remainers were wrong up until around when the pandemic began. You’d never see him post on any other thread on here, every other post had unfettered access copied and pasted into it. Can anyone remember his name and does he still post on here? Would love his take on the slow car crash the country is in now.

I believe he does still post on here, yes. Writing styles are difficult to conceal for a sustained period.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Thing is, I know this thread can resemble an echo chamber on the subject matter at hand, but there will be plenty of leavers who will lurk. No fucking danger.

I can speak from personal experience, that to win an argument against the odds is an amazing thing to experience. But there are limits to what even the best advocate can achieve. If you’ve got truly shit material to work with, then it’s pretty pointless, no matter what you say, and how you say it, in support of your argument.

How this thread could do with someone brave and articulate enough to advocate the case for Brexit as of right here, right now.

Any takers?

The one or two who tried have long gone. Obviously impatient for the EU to collapse financially which was one of their favourite go to themes. Mcfc1632 was the most articulate of them but still wrong on every count.

 

[Saddleworth2]

There used to be someone all over the brexit thread outlining why us remainers were wrong up until around when the pandemic began. You’d never see him post on any other thread on here, every other post had unfettered access copied and pasted into it. Can anyone remember his name and does he still post on here? Would love his take on the slow car crash the country is in now.

MCFC1632 was the poster. Very articulate but wrong.

 

[Chris in London]

MCFC1632 was the poster. Very articulate but wrong.

Still posting on here, though not from his native town

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Still posting on here, though not from his native town

I'm not sure I’d agree with articulate.

Thoughts, MLF?…

 

[Vic]

Still posting on here, though not from his native town

Has he deleted all his posts in the thread?

 

[Saddleworth2]

Still posting on here, though not from his native town

Yes. He says it’s a case of mistaken identity.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

MCFC1632 was the poster. Very articulate but wrong.

Although my attitude at the time was, it’s your own business what you do, no matter how much of a retrograde step it seemed to me, I did take himself and a few others on about where it would leave Northern Ireland and how the initial idea of a border on the island of Ireland was in contravention of of an internationally recognised agreement that you were already signed up to. The GFA.

You now have The NIP which the DUP predictably are now not supporting although they supported Boris when he changed May’s plan. The assembly hasn’t sat in years it seems.

This mess was so obviously coming, but when my argument could not be disputed at the time, all I got from him and a few others was that it was unfortunate but a price they would be willing to pay.

 

[ZebraVicar]

As soon as the results were in I was in action mode to leave the place, it was blindingly obvious what was going to happen. Vote was in June 2016, by 5th December 2016 I was on a one way flight to New Zealand.

Did you need a resident visa to get a one way flight, or you on a Australian or NZ passport?

 

[Saddleworth2]

Although my attitude at the time was, it’s your own business what you do, no matter how much of a retrograde step it seemed to me, I did take himself and a few others on about where it would leave Northern Ireland and how the initial idea of a border on the island of Ireland was in contravention of of an internationally recognised agreement that you were already signed up to. The GFA.

You now have The NIP which the DUP predictably are now not supporting although they supported Boris when he changed May’s plan. The assembly hasn’t sat in years it seems.

This mess was so obviously coming, but when my argument could not be disputed at the time, all I got from him and a few others was that it was unfortunate but a price they would be willing to pay.

And a technology solution would be along soon. I remember the arguments pretty well.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I heard some reasonably cogent (albeit wholly misguided) arguments for Brexit in 2016. I’ve heard none in the last two years.

Amazingly, those who voted for it are now complaining that it’s not what they voted for as it’s impacting their lives.

No reasoned, cogent debate, just a full-on whinge-fest.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

And a technology solution would be along soon. I remember the arguments pretty well.

Ah yes. The boffins coming up with something in the future. I remember that.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Amazingly, those who voted for it are now complaining that it’s not what they voted for as it’s impacting their lives.

No reasoned, cogent debate, just a full-on whinge-fest.

They got what they voted for. That’s a matter of fact.

 

[Champions again in 2012]

Amazingly, those who voted for it are now complaining that it’s not what they voted for as it’s impacting their lives.

No reasoned, cogent debate, just a full-on whinge-fest.

My brother played the ‘we didn’t get the Brexit we voted for' line to me a few months ago. I had to remind him he didn't vote for any particular type of Brexit just a stay in or leave the EU.

He fucking trusted the politicians would deliver the type of Brexit he imagined or thought he'd been promised. In my view it's been nothing but a car crash

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I'm not sure I’d agree with articulate.

Thoughts, MLF?…

The Bloviator was totally inarticulate. Used to come on here at weird hours and answer post after post from the day before in awful, clunky, witless English. Daft as a brush but with a weird arrogance: a walking Dunning Kruger Graph.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Those whom you would not normally view as a **** but voted for brexit must surely be regarded as someone who had, albeit a very short, episode of ‘cuntness’ during the act of voting.
Sadly, the ‘cuntness’ not normally associated with these people coincided with the vote.
In view of the result of the ballot however, I for one am not minded to forgive ‘cuntness’ no matter how temporary in this regard.
Even the briefest attack of ‘cuntness’ can have seriously long-term effects.

You can tell me to f@ck off if you like, but from the outside looking in, I don’t think calling them Cnuts is in anyway going to help the situation in the UK.
Don’t get me wrong. I have no idea how you actually heal the division in your country and how you make things better, but calling half the country cnuts and them calling you ‘Told you so’, f@ckers will only prolong the agony.

I do think your whole voting system and class system within politics needs a major overhaul and don’t understand how so many in your country defend what works against them. But hey, I’m Irish, we never really got it, ever, so again just tell me to f@ck off.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Although my attitude at the time was, it’s your own business what you do, no matter how much of a retrograde step it seemed to me, I did take himself and a few others on about where it would leave Northern Ireland and how the initial idea of a border on the island of Ireland was in contravention of of an internationally recognised agreement that you were already signed up to. The GFA.

You now have The NIP which the DUP predictably are now not supporting although they supported Boris when he changed May’s plan. The assembly hasn’t sat in years it seems.

This mess was so obviously coming, but when my argument could not be disputed at the time, all I got from him and a few others was that it was unfortunate but a price they would be willing to pay.

I remember that. I raised the GFA issue a couple of times, and was pretty depressed by the "they will do what they're told to" attitude. Northern Ireland was discounted, whether because they genuinely didn't care, or knew that it was a disaster waiting to happen and didn't want to engage with it.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I remember that. I raised the GFA issue a couple of times, and was pretty depressed by the "they will do what they're told to" attitude. Northern Ireland was discounted, whether because they genuinely didn't care, or knew that it was a disaster waiting to happen and didn't want to engage with it.

I felt it was a bit of both.
They couldn’t argue logically against the obvious so decided they were willing to sacrifice NI.

Now that in itself didn’t surprise me, it’s something we know down south but wonder when more people up north will see it.
Staunch unionism will vote against their own interests on a one issue ticket. ( The Union and the King)
But the younger generation must at some stage see the the Conservative and Unionist party basically use Unionism in the North for their own ends only and would drop them in an instant when not needed.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I felt it was a bit of both.
They couldn’t argue logically against the obvious so decided they were willing to sacrifice NI.

Now that in itself didn’t surprise me, it’s something we know down south but wonder when more people up north will see it.
Staunch unionism will vote against their own interests on a one issue ticket. ( The Union and the King)
But the younger generation must at some stage see the the Conservative and Unionist party basically use Unionism in the North for their own ends only and would drop them in an instant when not needed.

They may have felt NI could be ignored but the EU and US wouldnt. It was and is a clusterfuck mess. I await with trepidation what Starmers solution is going to be. Probably ignore for as long as he can.

 

[WestGorton]

Don't worry. There is a trade deal with India that begins in 40 years.