Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

Centurions said:
Not a cats chance of that happening. I'm not getting this obsession with hitting 60,000 either, if it was that important to the club then they'll expand the E & W stands back when they replace the roofs there.
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It’s for hosting major finals and generating income. There’s no obsession with 60k. There’s a significant commercial advantage to be had. The people running our Club know that.

It might not be an issue anyway if, for example, our architects have learnt how to get more people into the North East and North West corners (compared to the South East and South West corners).
 
Centurions said:
No. From the sounds of it on here it hasn't made much difference at Spurs has it?

Hopefully the NS won't have the corporate section which would make the NS entirely a home end. Isn't the NS a home end (whatever that may actually mean) anyway?
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I don’t agree. When the single tier at spurs starts singing it’s much louder then at white hart lane. It’s also given all of their singers a chance to group together.

If we build three tiers I’d bet anything the second tier would be corporate. When I say home end I mean the Kop, holte end, cheadle end - a large area that has most of the singers in and there’s no away fans. something we don’t have
 
Tim of the Oak said:
It’s for hosting major finals and generating income. There’s no obsession with 60k. There’s a significant commercial advantage to be had. The people running our Club know that.

It might not be an issue anyway if, for example, our architects have learnt how to get more people into the North East and North West corners (compared to the South East and South West corners).
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The preferred capacity is actually 70000 as UEFA (Platini) believed this was required for security arrangements (like that worked last time). Most finals since 2007 have been quite some way above 60k so I’m not sure just tipping over 60k will make much difference. As far as I can tell it only needs to be classed as category 4 to be able to host a final, but if the 60k is the unofficial minimum then a few hundred below probably wouldn’t prevent being chosen if the facilities elsewhere on campus are top notch, which they will be.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I don’t agree. When the single tier at spurs starts singing it’s much louder then at white hart lane. It’s also given all of their singers a chance to group together.

If we build three tiers I’d bet anything the second tier would be corporate. When I say home end I mean the Kop, holte end, cheadle end - a large area that has most of the singers in and there’s no away fans. something we don’t have
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Going by the comments here, a two-tier stand with the bottom tier being elevated safe standing section and an expanded second tier with no corporate boxes

Here are pictures of what it could look like

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Citizen of Legoland said:
The preferred capacity is actually 70000 as UEFA (Platini) believed this was required for security arrangements (like that worked last time). Most finals since 2007 have been quite some way above 60k so I’m not sure just tipping over 60k will make much difference. As far as I can tell it only needs to be classed as category 4 to be able to host a final, but if the 60k is the unofficial minimum then a few hundred below probably wouldn’t prevent being chosen if the facilities elsewhere on campus are top notch, which they will be.
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I think over 60K also puts us in the big League of Prem attendances. It’s probably not essential like you say.

The Amsterdam Arena’s capacity was increased to over 55k to make it better placed to hold big Euro games (a good while back) so attendance / capacity expectations for finals do seem to be rising.

I just think if we can squeeze a few more in then why not. It might be a non starter but if some people’s views are no longer blocked as a result of safe standing, overlooking the double advertising boards, then maybe there’s a case for reestablishing an extra row or so. I know there’s Champs League rules around the size of advertising thst might be another factor
 
Brewster's millions said:
I’ve never understood why this sort of service hasn’t been implemented.

Something with a few designated stops that starts at Parrs Wood, or maybe beyond, takes a right at or close to Dickenson Road and then straight to the ground. Would be perfect for many, many blues.
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Metrolink ran a match special bus service direct to and from Parrs Wood on derby day, was a much more pleasant travelling experience than the covid crush on the trams
 
blue b4 the moon said:
If only that picture was taken from the otherside we'd already know 1, 2 or 3 tiers. ;)

If we do end up with 3 tiers & the away fans staying in the SS it'll be interesting how many of our fans who like to see the whites of the away fans eyes will actually move.

We could very easily end up with 3 'sets' of singing fans rather than the 2 we have now....be careful what you wish for City.
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The ‘Kippax North Stand’ L3 will be packed with die hard sand new hardship.

Hopefully, the singing section in the ESL1 corner will relocate into the SS L3 rear or L1 next to the pikeys.

We could very easily create two ends to create the atmosphere so desired
 
Keeper! said:
We have an ageing fan base, that needs addressing and quickly.
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So, line up all us FOC's and put us out of our misery? I've never got this ageing fan base thing. Surely, my generation (just turned 60) has an equivalent at Saints, Neverton et al? Or is it just a City thing? I wear my FOC status as a badge of honour, summat to keep the younger generation around me grounded and aware of where we came from.

Anyway, where's me zimmer?
 
Brewster's millions said:
I’ve never understood why this sort of service hasn’t been implemented.

Something with a few designated stops that starts at Parrs Wood, or maybe beyond, takes a right at or close to Dickenson Road and then straight to the ground. Would be perfect for many, many blues.
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Check-in with your local supporter's club. They might run a coach to the home games.
 
Dodge said:
So, line up all us FOC's and put us out of our misery? I've never got this ageing fan base thing. Surely, my generation (just turned 60) has an equivalent at Saints, Neverton et al? Or is it just a City thing? I wear my FOC status as a badge of honour, summat to keep the younger generation around me grounded and aware of where we came from.

Anyway, where's me zimmer?
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Logan's Run philosophy, we didn't have too many young fans around 2006 at away games, not they all want to be there.
 
spiny said:
The World Cup with all the new stadiums highlights the importance of crowd "atmospherics" not just in terms of encouraging teams but in setting the scene for broadcasts. COVID showed that the game is as much about fans as players onn the field. However, attendances have a fixed limit so are constrained, unlike TV with its global reach.

TV money and streaming content will generate far more funding than extra corporates. These audiences currently run into millions and tens of millions creating exposure to generate even more commercial revenue. It is short sighted to skimp on the North Stand develoment. Better to invest to create something iconic and atmospheric with global fan appeal rather than be constrained by ROI from stadium revenue which is relatively small potatoes compared with other revenue streams.
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Agree completely. Look at Borussia Dortmund as the model. Their Yellow Wall must generate millions in revenue indirectly.

I would stress that it takes much more than just 'building a nice stand', though. There needs to be a full model in place to back it up. Cheap tickets, acoustics considered in the design, and organization with fan groups. Otherwise, it will be a stand that looks great but doesn't improve the atmosphere (the product) in any way.

There's an argument to say that corporate packages, such as the tunnel club, could be priced more highly as the atmosphere would add to the spectacle.
 
Dodge said:
So, line up all us FOC's and put us out of our misery? I've never got this ageing fan base thing. Surely, my generation (just turned 60) has an equivalent at Saints, Neverton et al? Or is it just a City thing? I wear my FOC status as a badge of honour, summat to keep the younger generation around me grounded and aware of where we came from.

Anyway, where's me zimmer?
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I do think the aging fanbase issue is more pronounced at City because of our, and our neighbor's varying levels of success in the 90/00's.

I do think it's an issue at most clubs though. It seems pretty straightforward to presume older people tend to have more disposable income and can therefore watch more live football. When you throw in tickets increasing past the rate of inflation, it becomes more of an issue as time goes by.
 
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