Is Messi Now Officially the Greatest Footballer in History?

Is Messi the greatest player in football history?

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By a country mile .
I always think of someone like Spanish Dave , who was a fantastic leader of an orchestra but to get the best out of him, other players had to be on his wavelength.
Messi could conduct the orchestra, play lead percussion, wind and strings . On a good day , he’d even play that triangle thing.
 
Pele or Messi is like apples and pears.
A previous poster pointed out Pelé basically played almost his entire career at Santos.He won three World Cups.
The game is now saturated with TV coverage compared to the 60s so Messi has been more widely seen and appreciated plus his phenomenal stats.
I really do think it’s an impossible choice so it’s a tie for me.
 
the problem with these debates is that people are too young to remember Pele. Messi is certainly the best player of this generation but better than Maradona and Pele, I don't know
 
SWPISHOME said:
I was listening to so many so called "pundits" over the last few days especially talking about "How Messi has to win the World Cup to be regarded as one of the best ever up their with Maradona ect"...I never heard so much shite in all my life!

So IF:
Argentina lost on penalties, Messi isn't up with the best.

Argentina win, He's up with the best.

So fucking pathetic.

No matter what happened in the game today he's going down as one of the greatest ever! How lucky have we been to witness this guy playing football the last 20 years! He's a fucking genius!
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Totally agree

Heard it said from so many people aswell

What if he was born in Scotland or Ireland etc - he’d still have to win the WC to be the greatest ? Pathetic
 
citytill1die84 said:
Maradona played an incredible 343 games scoring 159 goals and providing another 82 with assists.

Messi has played 607 games 558 goals 231 assists including 73 goals and 29 assists in just 1 season.

Not a chance Maradona is ahead of Messi.

As for Pele, lol spent his entire career playing against school kids in Brazil.
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That’s a bit daft tbh. As Brazilian footballers didn't cross the Atlantic at that stage and there were plenty of excellent defenders in that league, and he regularly got kicked to bits.
 
Think I’d probably still just have Maradona fractionally ahead but certainly wouldn’t get in to an argument about it.

I’d rename it the Greatest of the TV era though. None of us really have any idea quite how good anyone was before TV started covering football regularly.
 
Stephen230 said:
Think I’d probably still just have Maradona fractionally ahead but certainly wouldn’t get in to an argument about it.

I’d rename it the Greatest of the TV era though. None of us really have any idea quite how good anyone was before TV started covering football regularly.
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Same here.

Shame Maradona f*ck his career up via the Mafia and drugs whilst playing for Napoli.

If you haven’t seen the Maradona documentary, watch it. It really is an eye opener.
 
King Pablo said:
Please spare a thought for Cristiano Ronaldo's feelings . . . . . .

OK that's done

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Think the key thing for me in these debates is the longevity of Messi.

Maradona was done by the time he was 30.

Messi has been in and around the best player in the world for not that far off 2 decades.

It's what sets him apart in my opinion.


Surely the consistency counts for something?
 
Protein Junkie said:
Pele or Messi is like apples and pears.
A previous poster pointed out Pelé basically played almost his entire career at Santos.He won three World Cups.
The game is now saturated with TV coverage compared to the 60s so Messi has been more widely seen and appreciated plus his phenomenal stats.
I really do think it’s an impossible choice so it’s a tie for me.
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You also can't compare the 1960's with the 2010's, both in style of play, the state of pitches, not to mention the kit they wear to play, and the balls they play with.
 
jrb said:
Same here.

Shame Maradona f*ck his career up via the Mafia and drugs whilst playing for Napoli.

If you haven’t seen the Maradona documentary, watch it. It really is an eye opener.
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imagine how good he would’ve been if he wasn’t on the shovel 24/7
 
Protein Junkie said:
Pele or Messi is like apples and pears.
A previous poster pointed out Pelé basically played almost his entire career at Santos.He won three World Cups.
The game is now saturated with TV coverage compared to the 60s so Messi has been more widely seen and appreciated plus his phenomenal stats.
I really do think it’s an impossible choice so it’s a tie for me.
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Agree with all this. So much has changed. Do we say Pele is the greatest World Cup player and Messi the greatest club player (which may not even be true)? It’s like Woods and Nicklaus. Nicklaus is the greatest ever based on track record in the majors but Woods played the greatest golf ever in terms of quality/dominance. I guess I don’t really care that much about the distinction.

Personally I think Messi is better than DM which some can argue and he’s quite obviously (LOL) better than Ronaldo, so that’s enough for me. There’s room for two atop the mountain. All I know is we better count ourselves lucky for having gotten to see today. That was very special.
 
King Pablo said:
Think the key thing for me in these debates is the longevity of Messi.

Maradona was done by the time he was 30.

Messi has been in and around the best player in the world for not that far off 2 decades.

It's what sets him apart in my opinion.


Surely the consistency counts for something?
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I’d agree wholeheartedly. It absolutely matters, not just the longevity but the sheer quality even as he got older, and how he was able to adopt his game as his role gradually changed and still maintain his standards and attitude. Takes a special person.
 
Watched the official documentary of the 86 world cup this morning (brilliant viewing, pure 80s aesthetic, Michael Kane narrating) and for me Maradona is still the pinnacle


(See the post above saying Maradon doesn’t create like Messi…
Watch the 86 World Cup. He pretty much made every Argentinian goal he didn’t score himself)
 
jrb said:
Same here.

Shame Maradona f*ck his career up via the Mafia and drugs whilst playing for Napoli.

If you haven’t seen the Maradona documentary, watch it. It really is an eye opener.
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Maradona was way behind Pele, so he’s not really in the conversation, I never thought anyone would match Pele but I think Messi has now eclipsed Pele!
 
citytill1die84 said:
Maradona played an incredible 343 games scoring 159 goals and providing another 82 with assists.

Messi has played 607 games 558 goals 231 assists including 73 goals and 29 assists in just 1 season.

Not a chance Maradona is ahead of Messi.

As for Pele, lol spent his entire career playing against school kids in Brazil.
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Those stats are way off.

Messi has played about 1000 matches. He has 700 club goals and 98 international goals and around 340 assists.
 
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