Discontent that will end the Tory Govt is coming

[dave_blue12]

Fleece the workers? Then why is National Insurance higher for Employers than Employees?

Oh dear. Look at the big picture.

The average real UK wage hasn’t increased since 2007 but we have 20% more billionaires since the pandemic.

The very wealthy don’t pay tax at anything like the rate of the working man.

 

[halfmist]

US Corporation Tax rates are approx double the UK and form about a third of the total tax take whereas in the UK it is less than 10% of the total.

I have no idea what Labour will or won’t do but it is high time the people of this country wake up to the fact that they are being shafted.

Perhaps the current spate of industrial action is a sign of an awakening. I hope so.

Don’t you think it’s a little bit concerning, that you have, as you admit, “no idea what Labour will or won’t do”
What does that say about the Labour Party policy

 

[WestGorton]

Nobody expects “utopia”, you clown. Most of would just like a government of competent people who don’t lie about everything. Then they can start to improve things day by day, week by week, month by month by making the right decisions instead of the wrong ones.

Getting into the privileged private school system gets my vote. Doesn't mean it heals the economy and I know nice people who went there but if they exist they should not get any tax breaks. It's called doing the right thing.

 

[bluethrunthru]

This is that lady who confronted Barclay this morning being interviewed later today - strong articulate woman but I guess if your child is facing a life limiting disease your courage is multiplied and you say it like it is - good one her and I wish her little girl all the best - Barclay can just get in the sea

 

[halfmist]

Getting into the privileged private school system gets my vote. Doesn't mean it heals the economy and I know nice people who went there but if they exist they should not get any tax breaks. It's called doing the right thing.

Principles don’t pay bills.
I am also not in favour of private schools but anything that eases the burden on the State system whether it be health or education, we cannot afford to just dismiss on ideological grounds.
As regards tax breaks it isn't one.
Labour are talking about introducing a tax charge in terms of VAT and not removing a break that already exists.
Also, don’t forget the private school parents still have to contribute to the state system even though they are not using it.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I am also not in favour of private schools but anything that eases the burden on the State system whether it be health or education, we cannot afford to just dismiss on ideological grounds.

Two points there - the number of kids who will be forced out of private schools into state schools is minimal. About half are from abroad so would either stay or go into their home country's schooling system for the rest most have parents wealthy enough to just suck it up and pay more...... you know like we are expected to do with gas, electricity travel food and so on. In any event the I'd be happy if they all closed down - a few billionaire and millionaires kids at your local comp school will see pressure applied for better conditions there

 

[bluethrunthru]

Just bring the country to a standstill - it all relies on supply chains - workers and unions will own these **** for the next year - time to re-address the merchant banker /road sweeper balance

 

[dave_blue12]

Don’t you think it’s a little bit concerning, that you have, as you admit, “no idea what Labour will or won’t do”
What does that say about the Labour Party policy

I would prefer a lot more from Labour that’s for sure. But I know what the alternative offers based on the last 12 years and it is abhorrent to me and should be to anyone who isn’t a multi millionaire.

It’s just interesting how apologists for our disgusting government always point at the Labour Party.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I would prefer a lot more from Labour that’s for sure. But I know what the alternative offers based on the last 12 years and it is abhorrent to me and should be to anyone who isn’t a multi millionaire.

It’s just interesting how apologists for our disgusting government always point at the Labour Party.

It’s the new narrative, point at Labour and say they’re just the same. Labour are playing it safe at the moment and will not want to be rocking the boat but when people say they haven’t shown which way they are heading, they are being disingenuous. Over the last 2 years the government have basically stole Labours policies after yet another U-Turn. Taxing the energy companies and giving support to workers, the Tories near enough took onboard, and then how Labour would get rid of none-dom status.

There‘s plenty of stuff out there, just that their policies have been merged by the Tory party who could now be known as the Labour-Lites.

I do wonder if those who are spouting ‘All the same’ are lashing out because they know the Tories are rightly getting their arses handed to them and I cannot fathom why these people can look at the last few years and honestly say that they still support their policies.

 

[mayo31]

What's the Monster Raving Looney party doing these days?

You tell me

 

[halfmist]

It’s the new narrative, point at Labour and say they’re just the same. Labour are playing it safe at the moment and will not want to be rocking the boat but when people say they haven’t shown which way they are heading, they are being disingenuous. Over the last 2 years the government have basically stole Labours policies after yet another U-Turn. Taxing the energy companies and giving support to workers, the Tories near enough took onboard, and then how Labour would get rid of none-dom status.

There‘s plenty of stuff out there, just that their policies have been merged by the Tory party who could now be known as the Labour-Lites.

I do wonder if those who are spouting ‘All the same’ are lashing out because they know the Tories are rightly getting their arses handed to them and I cannot fathom why these people can look at the last few years and honestly say that they still support their policies.

Good post
Your right, it would be hard to find many who are happy with the direction the Country is going at the moment.
It does feel like a Party who has been in power for too long and we as a Country, need some new direction.
However there are a hell of a lot of voters out there who won’t wave a Tory placard but will not vote for Labour as they fear their policies.
Their silence on policy at the moment is deafening so voters become wary as to what they have in mind.
They are getting many free hits at the Tories at but most of the voters don’t need to be told what’s wrong,they can see that for themselves.
They want to know specific policies that will fix things and Labour usually fall short.
Yes they may sting the richer in Society a little bit more on ideological grounds to fix things, but never by enough to pay for their wish list.
The self employed and the rich, will find ways,either legally or illegally to avoid tax increases, leaving the poor sods on PAYE to pick up the tab.
That leaves an increase in borrowing as an alternative,to finance spending policies and as we saw with Truss the more that it looks like we have to borrow the higher the interest rate goes.
For a lot of borrowers on a personal level the effect is a lot more severe than any tax changes.
So those who are expecting life changing policy changes under an alternative Government are going to be bitterly disappointed.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Good post
Your right, it would be hard to find many who are happy with the direction the Country is going at the moment.
It does feel like a Party who has been in power for too long and we as a Country, need some new direction.
However there are a hell of a lot of voters out there who won’t wave a Tory placard but will not vote for Labour as they fear their policies.
Their silence on policy at the moment is deafening so voters become wary as to what they have in mind.
They are getting many free hits at the Tories at but most of the voters don’t need to be told what’s wrong,they can see that for themselves.
They want to know specific policies that will fix things and Labour usually fall short.
Yes they may sting the richer in Society a little bit more on ideological grounds to fix things, but never by enough to pay for their wish list.
The self employed and the rich, will find ways,either legally or illegally to avoid tax increases, leaving the poor sods on PAYE to pick up the tab.
That leaves an increase in borrowing as an alternative,to finance spending policies and as we saw with Truss the more that it looks like we have to borrow the higher the interest rate goes.
For a lot of borrowers on a personal level the effect is a lot more severe than any tax changes.
So those who are expecting life changing policy changes under an alternative Government are going to be bitterly disappointed.

Labour have put stuff out about their vision but that can‘t be set in clear policy/manifesto until we know where we are sometime closer to the GE. The way I see it though, is by watching them call-out all the Tory shit and basically tell them what they need to be doing - sit down with Unions, sort taxes out, etc.

It‘s not going to be easy but arresting the decline in society, must be Labours first priority and then build from there.

 

[WestGorton]

Principles don’t pay bills.
I am also not in favour of private schools but anything that eases the burden on the State system whether it be health or education, we cannot afford to just dismiss on ideological grounds.
As regards tax breaks it isn't one.
Labour are talking about introducing a tax charge in terms of VAT and not removing a break that already exists.
Also, don’t forget the private school parents still have to contribute to the state system even though they are not using it.

My view remains the same. I agree with Labour policy on this. It won't eradicate private education but it should be that. Private. If people are willing to 100,000 odd per kid it's up to them but no state help. It's their choice.

 

[mosssideblue]

My view remains the same. I agree with Labour policy on this. It won't eradicate private education but it should be that. Private. If people are willing to 100,000 odd per kid it's up to them but no state help. It's their choice.

Exactly

 

[bluethrunthru]

They want to exploit us because they have no-one else to vilify and exploit - this is for Terry today but listen to the lyrics as they make as much sense as they did back then and folks need to wake up

 

[halfmist]

Labour have put stuff out about their vision but that can‘t be set in clear policy/manifesto until we know where we are sometime closer to the GE. The way I see it though, is by watching them call-out all the Tory shit and basically tell them what they need to be doing - sit down with Unions, sort taxes out, etc.

It‘s not going to be easy but arresting the decline in society, must be Labours first priority and then build from there.

Sit down with Unions, sort taxes out, arresting the decline in society are just words, politicians speak, not specific policies that one could say yes, if we did that a specific problem would be solved.

 

[halfmist]

Just bring the country to a standstill - it all relies on supply chains - workers and unions will own these **** for the next year - time to re-address the merchant banker /road sweeper balance

You see if the left see “bringing the country to a standstill “ what ever “ the country” is, will be the solution, do you not realise comments like that is the reason why there are so many people reluctant to give Labour a chance.
As regards the merchant banker v the road sweeper “the Country” needs both.
We are worth to Society what Society is prepared to pay for our services, our economic rent as it’s known.
The more the effort and skill required to get to the level to do the job the more Society is preparedto pay for the service.
That’s a fact and no political party can change it.
The merchant banker could do the road sweepers job,but the road sweeper could not do the merchant bankers job.
If all skills were equalised in terms of net worth we would all take the easy option and become road sweepers so it’s very naive to compare the two.

 

[dave_blue12]

You see if the left see “bringing the country to a standstill “ what ever “ the country” is, will be the solution, do you not realise comments like that is the reason why there are so many people reluctant to give Labour a chance.
As regards the merchant banker v the road sweeper “the Country” needs both.
We are worth to Society what Society is prepared to pay for our services, our economic rent as it’s known.
The more the effort and skill required to get to the level to do the job the more Society is preparedto pay for the service.
That’s a fact and no political party can change it.
The merchant banker could do the road sweepers job,but the road sweeper could not do the merchant bankers job.
If all skills were equalised in terms of net worth we would all take the easy option and become road sweepers so it’s very naive to compare the two.

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about.

You talk as if we live in a meritocracy, we don’t. What school you went to, which family you’re from are far bigger influences than ability. You only have to look at the clowns that have been ruining the country for the past 12 years to know that.

Sadly your views are typical of many of your age who have been fed a lifetime of lies by the few who control the media.

 

[halfmist]

Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about.

You talk as if we live in a meritocracy, we don’t. What school you went to, which family you’re from are far bigger influences than ability. You only have to look at the clowns that have been ruining the country for the past 12 years to know that.

Sadly your views are typical of many of your age who have been fed a lifetime of lies by the few who control the media.

Where did I say we live in a meritocracy, I didn't.
Its an unfair world, we can either moan about it knowing deep down we cannot change it or play to the unfair rules.
The majority of Labour politicians who are likely to form any future Government are not there on individual merit they have followed the same path as Tory politicians.
That is the real world.
I would like to think I am intelligent enough to form my own opinions on how the system works and my gut feeling that all politicians who carry any clout all piss in the same pot.
I have yet to be proved wrong.

 

[Jazzyblue]

Good post
Your right, it would be hard to find many who are happy with the direction the Country is going at the moment.
It does feel like a Party who has been in power for too long and we as a Country, need some new direction.
However there are a hell of a lot of voters out there who won’t wave a Tory placard but will not vote for Labour as they fear their policies.

Does it not feel like Labour are held to a higher standard Halfmist? Seems to me that Labour are under continual pressure to prove they're up to the job and won't wreck the country, when in reality Labour's track record is actually pretty good.

It's amazing how many people hark back to Jim Callaghan as proof that Labour will wreck the country, forgetting the 13 years of Blair and Brown which were far better than the last 12 years, and for much of the country, including Greater Manchester, far better than the Thatcher and Major years.

When Cameron was elected into 2010 I don't remember any clamour for big ideas from the Tories. The message was pretty much 'Labour has wrecked the economy (if you believed that) and we're ready to take over again'.

I think the reason why Labour are perceived to keep schtum about policies is because a) the press has a Tory bias and doesn't report them b) ideas that are reported are either ripped apart or stolen by the Tories.