Lack of pace on the wings

JewelZee said:
Some weird goings on. Why did Pep say if things don't go the way he wants he may not see out his new deal? It made zero sense at the time he said it. Then coming down very hard on Phillips publicly. Walker, Foden, Cancelo, and Bernardo have all been fit and yet have been marginalized since after the WC. Maybe he's going through some personal stuff, who knows? He just seemed off to me from his usual self in the last post game. If City don't come back in Prem or win the CL I wouldn't be surprised if Pep called it an end to his time at City...
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I’m not surprised he was off in the last presser he bloody well should be as we were shit! And we have been since before the World Cup. But to then come out with the best performances stuff was, to me at least, a bit arrogant, like we know nothing and he knows everything.

Look, Pep knows more about football tactics and managing than I ever will but trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes grinds my gears. We watch every week and we see the what’s going on on the pitch from week to week, sometimes every 3 days, to form an educated opinion. And we sure as shit know when we are playing crap, who’s playing crap and when we are playing well. I want his honest opinion not some sarcastic shite that he thinks we are gonna buy!
 
JewelZee said:
Some weird goings on. Why did Pep say if things don't go the way he wants he may not see out his new deal? It made zero sense at the time he said it. Then coming down very hard on Phillips publicly. Walker, Foden, Cancelo, and Bernardo have all been fit and yet have been marginalized since after the WC. Maybe he's going through some personal stuff, who knows? He just seemed off to me from his usual self in the last post game. If City don't come back in Prem or win the CL I wouldn't be surprised if Pep called it an end to his time at City...
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He only said that stuff because he was asked repeatedly about his future by the shit stirring rag Simon Stone
 
theres only one carlito said:
I’m not surprised he was off in the last presser he bloody well should be as we were shit! And we have been since before the World Cup. But to then come out with the best performances stuff was, to me at least, a bit arrogant, like we know nothing and he knows everything.

Look, Pep knows more about football tactics and managing than I ever will but trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes grinds my gears. We watch every week and we see the what’s going on on the pitch from week to week, sometimes every 3 days, to form an educated opinion. And we sure as shit know when we are playing crap, who’s playing crap and when we are playing well. I want his honest opinion not some sarcastic shite that he thinks we are gonna buy!
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You're preaching to the choir...
 
the blue panther said:
For £100m you expect something truly dynamic - a game changer. 2 seasons in and he doesn't look anything like. Decent enough squad player - average, but nothing more - which is exactly what I thought he'd be. I hope he can reinvent himself but can't see it happening.
We've dodged a lot of bullets in the last few years, and bought cheaply this summer. I guess he proves that not every signing comes off. We paid 2 or 3 times his realistic value and, despite the £100m price tag, he hasn't improved us 1 iota.
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I’ve sat on the fence with Grealish and was even defending him the other day but Palmer could do what he does for free and is more dangerous in front of goal.
 
Agueroooo9320 said:
pep says that about half the english players. he calls some of the players in relegation side as world beaters. that is is why we have a transfer team independent of pep. do you remember pep wanted kane but the club refused to go all out for him? instead we got haaland. not always best to defer to pep
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I think there is a little bit of gamesmanship when Pep talks about players & id imagine also with the signings. It’s not a new thing, I remember GPC playing the Dippers into paying over the odds for Charlie Adam.
 
The pressure is well and truly on now with the red shit breathing down our neck and top 4 looking between everyone apart from Arsenal. We need to get back on track fast.
 
Lavinda Past said:
We were absolutely dreadful. The team and (mainly) Pep deserve every bit of the criticism.

Everton came to us as a very poor side. They were very poor on the day, and they still are very poor. No excuses... we should have taken them apart but Pep's tactics played straight into their hands.

Chelsea are bang average. They're in a mess and should be easy meat on Thursday, unless Pep f*cks up again.
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Looking at last nights Everton's result makes the dropping of 2 points even worse.
 
I feel like this is part of a wider debate on how we play and also how opposing teams decide to set up too.

Worth seeing Brighton's first goal last night and comparing how exposed the full back was, compared to Saturday. Once he's out of the way, Mitoma gets up to some speed and it's job done. Newcastle got nearly ripped apart early yesterday, until Joelinton dropped right off to help his full back and nullify the space for Saka to run.

Compare this to Everton at the weekend, with a full back being helped by a centre back. No space to get up to any speed at all, it's having to be done from a standing start. Even the quickest players will struggle, especially having to beat two or three players in 18-20 yards.

Well worth flicking through our games and looking at how many teams use a 5-3-2 or 5-4-1 once against City, then revert to their 'normal' playing style for the next game. Everton got thrashed last night partly because Lampard went back to a 4-3-3 against one of the best possession teams in the league.

This new system has been good so far (look at our chance creation v Liverpool & Leeds), but maybe it needs tweaks to cope with teams using 5 man defences.

The Sane & Sterling combination was devastating because we often had more space, but we also had David Silva, who provided a controlling balance to KDB's more risky passing.

City wouldn't be anywhere near the team we are without imposing control over the games. Occasionally teams will play like Everton and score their only chance, other times we win 1-0.
 
mcfcbill91 said:
I feel like this is part of a wider debate on how we play and also how opposing teams decide to set up too.

Worth seeing Brighton's first goal last night and comparing how exposed the full back was, compared to Saturday. Once he's out of the way, Mitoma gets up to some speed and it's job done. Newcastle got nearly ripped apart early yesterday, until Joelinton dropped right off to help his full back and nullify the space for Saka to run.

Compare this to Everton at the weekend, with a full back being helped by a centre back. No space to get up to any speed at all, it's having to be done from a standing start. Even the quickest players will struggle, especially having to beat two or three players in 18-20 yards.

Well worth flicking through our games and looking at how many teams use a 5-3-2 or 5-4-1 once against City, then revert to their 'normal' playing style for the next game. Everton got thrashed last night partly because Lampard went back to a 4-3-3 against one of the best possession teams in the league.

This new system has been good so far (look at our chance creation v Liverpool & Leeds), but maybe it needs tweaks to cope with teams using 5 man defences.

The Sane & Sterling combination was devastating because we often had more space, but we also had David Silva, who provided a controlling balance to KDB's more risky passing.

City wouldn't be anywhere near the team we are without imposing control over the games. Occasionally teams will play like Everton and score their only chance, other times we win 1-0.
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At last. Some sense. Well done mate.
 
mcfcbill91 said:
I feel like this is part of a wider debate on how we play and also how opposing teams decide to set up too.

Worth seeing Brighton's first goal last night and comparing how exposed the full back was, compared to Saturday. Once he's out of the way, Mitoma gets up to some speed and it's job done. Newcastle got nearly ripped apart early yesterday, until Joelinton dropped right off to help his full back and nullify the space for Saka to run.

Compare this to Everton at the weekend, with a full back being helped by a centre back. No space to get up to any speed at all, it's having to be done from a standing start. Even the quickest players will struggle, especially having to beat two or three players in 18-20 yards.

Well worth flicking through our games and looking at how many teams use a 5-3-2 or 5-4-1 once against City, then revert to their 'normal' playing style for the next game. Everton got thrashed last night partly because Lampard went back to a 4-3-3 against one of the best possession teams in the league.

This new system has been good so far (look at our chance creation v Liverpool & Leeds), but maybe it needs tweaks to cope with teams using 5 man defences.

The Sane & Sterling combination was devastating because we often had more space, but we also had David Silva, who provided a controlling balance to KDB's more risky passing.

City wouldn't be anywhere near the team we are without imposing control over the games. Occasionally teams will play like Everton and score their only chance, other times we win 1-0.
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Agree Davud Silva was a big part of that, might be my imagination but we always seemed to be operating in the opposition box probably durme to his great close control but we often seem to be 10 or 15 yards back now with a wall in front of us Just my impression.
 
mcfcbill91 said:
I feel like this is part of a wider debate on how we play and also how opposing teams decide to set up too.

Worth seeing Brighton's first goal last night and comparing how exposed the full back was, compared to Saturday. Once he's out of the way, Mitoma gets up to some speed and it's job done. Newcastle got nearly ripped apart early yesterday, until Joelinton dropped right off to help his full back and nullify the space for Saka to run.

Compare this to Everton at the weekend, with a full back being helped by a centre back. No space to get up to any speed at all, it's having to be done from a standing start. Even the quickest players will struggle, especially having to beat two or three players in 18-20 yards.

Well worth flicking through our games and looking at how many teams use a 5-3-2 or 5-4-1 once against City, then revert to their 'normal' playing style for the next game. Everton got thrashed last night partly because Lampard went back to a 4-3-3 against one of the best possession teams in the league.

This new system has been good so far (look at our chance creation v Liverpool & Leeds), but maybe it needs tweaks to cope with teams using 5 man defences.

The Sane & Sterling combination was devastating because we often had more space, but we also had David Silva, who provided a controlling balance to KDB's more risky passing.

City wouldn't be anywhere near the team we are without imposing control over the games. Occasionally teams will play like Everton and score their only chance, other times we win 1-0.
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Balanced, objective and sensible. You won't last round here ;)
 
blueju said:
I’ve sat on the fence with Grealish and was even defending him the other day but Palmer could do what he does for free and is more dangerous in front of goal.
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He's not a wide player. Play him more centrally and then we can have a chat. Otherwise it's a relentless waste of time.
 
mcfcbill91 said:
I feel like this is part of a wider debate on how we play and also how opposing teams decide to set up too.

Worth seeing Brighton's first goal last night and comparing how exposed the full back was, compared to Saturday. Once he's out of the way, Mitoma gets up to some speed and it's job done. Newcastle got nearly ripped apart early yesterday, until Joelinton dropped right off to help his full back and nullify the space for Saka to run.

Compare this to Everton at the weekend, with a full back being helped by a centre back. No space to get up to any speed at all, it's having to be done from a standing start. Even the quickest players will struggle, especially having to beat two or three players in 18-20 yards.

Well worth flicking through our games and looking at how many teams use a 5-3-2 or 5-4-1 once against City, then revert to their 'normal' playing style for the next game. Everton got thrashed last night partly because Lampard went back to a 4-3-3 against one of the best possession teams in the league.

This new system has been good so far (look at our chance creation v Liverpool & Leeds), but maybe it needs tweaks to cope with teams using 5 man defences.

The Sane & Sterling combination was devastating because we often had more space, but we also had David Silva, who provided a controlling balance to KDB's more risky passing.

City wouldn't be anywhere near the team we are without imposing control over the games. Occasionally teams will play like Everton and score their only chance, other times we win 1-0.
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A short but determined burst of acceleration and pace against a low block got us 2 of the 3 goals that won us the title v Villa
Pep seems determined to suck the pace and athleticism out of this team in favour of possession for its own sake
Anything less than three points on Thursday and we are facing a crisis moment similar to West Brom at home during the lockdown.
Like then, he needs to ignore his inner smart arse, display some humility again and go back to what we do best. And then we’ll be just fine
 
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