Autophagy (and fasting).

Psychedelic Casual said:
So would calcium, magnesium, sodium, fluoride, potassium, iron and zinc in water wouldn’t they?
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Is Water-Only Fasting Safe?

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God back from my yoga class around 9:45.
Ordinarily I'd just be having my dinner at around 10pm (not good) and that's most nights.

Instead I ate around 6:30 with a class start of 8:15.
Felt lethargic and with yoga stretching its not great having all that food still not digested.
Need to perhaps have a larger lunch on days like this then a really light snack around 5 instead (fruit etc)
 
somapop said:
God back from my yoga class around 9:45.
Ordinarily I'd just be having my dinner at around 10pm (not good) and that's most nights.

Instead I ate around 6:30 with a class start of 8:15.
Felt lethargic and with yoga stretching its not great having all that food still not digested.
Need to perhaps have a larger lunch on days like this then a really light snack around 5 instead (fruit etc)
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Think you should pay more attention on breaking the habit of late eating, not much good comes of it as the body wants to shut down n let melatonin take over the late shift after serotonin signed off for the night, clogging up the system/small intestine with food just sat there awaiting the day shift to start can play havoc in the long run.

Better to eat more water soluble substances than dense if you feel to eat late, young thai coconut n its gel/flesh will suffice or a simple cucumber, both great for electrolytes n the former for medium chain fatty acids (mcfa's) too.

A really decent fruit for gut health is the Papaya, the Papain within its seeds if you can handle the bitterness n the flesh before it starts to orange up makes it a good friend to Pepsin n the whole digestion process.

The urge to eat late or the sensation of it is always there after working out late but the mind over matter route n sensible combination choices has many benefits.

The/your journey is really a self-case study n point, my perspective will no doubt differ from others as there is no one band aid solves all, especially when we all perceive differently according to our research methodologies.
 
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Maintainin said:
Think you should pay more attention on breaking the habit of late eating, not much good comes of it as the body wants to shut down n let melatonin take over the late shift after serotonin signed off for the night, clogging up the system/small intestine with food just sat there awaiting the day shift to start can play havoc in the long run.

Better to eat more water soluble substances than dense if you feel to eat late, young thai coconut n its gel/flesh will suffice or a simple cucumber, both great for electrolytes n the former for medium chain fatty acids (mcfa's) too.

A really decent fruit for gut health is the Papaya, the Papain within its seeds if you can handle the bitterness n the flesh before it starts to orange up makes it a good friend to Pepsin n the whole digestion process.

The urge to eat late or the sensation of it is always there after working out late but the mind over matter route n sensible combination choices has many benefits.

The/your journey is really a self-case study n point, my perspective will no doubt differ from others as there is no one band aid solves all, especially when we all perceive differently according to our research methodologies.
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Really good points.
I'm definitely in the trial and error phase.

Last ate at around 6:30 (but due to habit I had a cookie with my boxset/stream schedule around 10pm.

This morning I've just had as black tea (but with Ceylon black tea leaves I buy in). I also had my usual Vit C & Zinc drink and my collections of vitamins tablets but sounds like I shouldn't even be doing this until later (when the 'window' opens).

If I go with the 9 hour window I'm looking at 10am - 6pm, but flexing this according to my training regime.
Won't be doing that yoga session so close to eating again.
 
somapop said:
Struggle to train/yoga in my flat tbh.
But I also go there for the community aspect - there are many things I enjoy with these classes.
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Definitely go for the larger meal at dinnertime instead of eating later on, on those days.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Definitely go for the larger meal at dinnertime instead of eating later on, on those days.
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Yes, this sounds like the way to go.
Which generally means most days tbf.
As I didn't eat until 11am today (fruit) I can push that 9 hour window to 7pm meaning I can hit the gym after work but still, crucially, eat earlier.
 
Felt so more tired before bed last night now I've started this routine.
If anything (all the autothagy stuff aside) if I can get a better nights sleep through not eating so late then I'm in credit with it already.

Technically today is the first day on this new routine as yesterday I had an apple, vit c & zinc drink and a cup of tea when I woke up.

Today, just water until 11.
Interested to see how I feel over the next week or so (but v likely I'll cheat at the weekend, which may be ok....)
 
somapop said:
Felt so more tired before bed last night now I've started this routine.
If anything (all the autothagy stuff aside) if I can get a better nights sleep through not eating so late then I'm in credit with it already.

Technically today is the first day on this new routine as yesterday I had an apple, vit c & zinc drink and a cup of tea when I woke up.

Today, just water until 11.
Interested to see how I feel over the next week or so (but v likely I'll cheat at the weekend, which may be ok....)
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You will feel shit for a week but then amazing, no point doing it if you plan to cheat !
 
I'm about 4 days in with this intermittent fasting/time restricted eating now.
Going to trial it for a month and gauge how I feel as I go along and tweak if necessary.

I've this element of OCD which can be detrimental (around other people I live with, or at least did live with!) or beneficial as it masquerades as will power.
So I'm definitely going to keep it up.
If it does nothing more than ensure I eat FAR earlier then I used to (10pm +) and perhaps trimmed me up a little then it's done its thing.

I feel really good btw. Skipping the breakfast and eating earlier is giving me a bit of a light bounce back.
Using a 9 hour window atm.

I even did my Park Run Saturday morning in the midst of a fast and energy seemed good (although with a leg injury I'm not exactly pushing it).

And according to those in the field of researching this, early tea/coffees are fine as their bitter, rather than sweet (as long as you don't pipe sugar/milk in to them).

I had a good listen to this on Friday which emboldened this habitual process somewhat.
Tim Spector (Zoe) is part of the discussion and I found it quite fascinating. Crucially there's a mention of those times when you feel utterly zapped with energy (what they call bonking in cycling) it absolutely recommends eating at this stage.
I'm also finding it simplifies my life even further (something less to think about in the morning).

I wonder if those studies at Bath Uni contradict any of this (I'll dive in and have a mooch)?

https://joinzoe.com/learn/podcast-intermittent-fasting
 
I'm over two weeks into this TRE plan now.
What it has done already is bring my late nigh eating habits down a good few hours, so that's already a benefit.
With breakfast, I feel like my body is slowly conditioning itself not to be concerned over missing that habit.

I'm not actually eating that much less by skipping breakfast - I'm still having the apple and banana, just not till later.
It's just the bowl of porridge oats and bran with milk I'm skipping (but may need to add that fibre in later in the day at some stage).

I am feeling pretty tired though (sleep isn't great atm so perhaps that will help - the cold adds to this I reckon - hibernation mood!).
I'm hoping this adjusts soon and feel less so as it's a bit draining - I'll give it up to a month to see if I need to adjust anything. Does this tend to get easier?

I'm still at the gym everyday though.
 
Going to try fasting from today from 6PM to 12 midday, heard that this 18 and 6 is great for weight loss, liver cleansing, improved heart and brain function.
I’ve just read I’m not allowed to have a protein shake for breakfast as that breaks the rules on fasting. :(
How difficult is it, do you actually feel starving going that long without food?
Do you do fasting every day or at a week at a time, once a month say?
 
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MadchesterCity said:
Going to try fasting from today from 6PM to 12 midday, heard that this 18 and 6 is great for weight loss, liver cleansing, improved heart and brain function.
I’ve just read I’m not allowed to have a protein shake for breakfast as that breaks the rules on fasting. :(
How difficult is it, do you actually feel starving going that long without food?
Do you do fasting every day or at a week at a time, once a month say?
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I always do it for Lent, so I'll be starting mine again next Wednesday (will be stopping smoking too so that should make it even more fun!). I just have one meal a day at around 8pm and other than that, only water.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
I always do it for Lent, so I'll be starting mine again next Wednesday (will be stopping smoking too so that should make it even more fun!). I just have one meal a day at around 8pm and other than that, only water.
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Do you feel really hungry! I’m normally eating every couple of hours throughout the day and drinking cup of green tea or coffee every hour. I’ve just read that I won’t be allowed to add honey to my green tea which will make it interesting, fortunately I drink my coffee black. Lent is 60 days right, think I might try this aswell after initial 3 day filter otters fast
 
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