How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

That's fine but you have to have the workforce to harvest and process the crops .... we haven't . As a result the farmers are ploughing the crops back into the ground.
We haven’t because we had a choice of a cheaper alternative.

I’ve worked in the food industry & understand the supply chain & it used to get on my tits as they look for sustainability improvements whilst increasing export & importing cheaper ingredients & materials.

That’s the same with labour, you’ll get the labour if you pay for it.

The answers are easy but we don’t really want the things we say we want. We want growth in market share & profit. That’s fine if they don’t spout bollox about sustainability. Don’t get me started n modern human slavery.
 
My dad told me once that when he had his shop on Stratford Road in Hulme in the 60s the strawberry season would last for a couple of months (maybe three) and they were sourced from Kent at the beginning, worked their way up the country and ended with strawberries from northern Scotland As the season concluded.

In answer to your previous question I think a significant number of the supply chain issues are down to Brexit but it is absolutely not the full picture. Labour shortages are probably easier to more significantly pin on Brexit along with (unquestionably) a reduction in exports and our standing in the world. Inflation, probably not so much. It’s a complex picture, made even more complex and challenging by Brexit. We have literally chosen to make life more complicated and challenging for ourselves, and far less well placed to deal with the vicissitudes of global events, with no discernible upside.

It’s not all down to Brexit, but Brexit has unquestionably made it palpably and significantly, maybe even hugely, worse.

Absolutely agree.
 
We haven’t because we had a choice of a cheaper alternative.

I’ve worked in the food industry & understand the supply chain & it used to get on my tits as they look for sustainability improvements whilst increasing export & importing cheaper ingredients & materials.

That’s the same with labour, you’ll get the labour if you pay for it.

The answers are easy but we don’t really want the things we say we want. We want growth in market share & profit. That’s fine if they don’t spout bollox about sustainability. Don’t get me started n modern human slavery.
You won't get the labour. UK farmers have tried to get British workers and it hasn't worked. Some UK growers are moving production to Eastern Europe. Brexit has increased food imports, at higher cost.
 
Surely, a comparison doesn’t carry any meaningful force unless it is analogous. Sometimes ‘hysteria’ is justified, sometimes it is not. Whether the ‘hysteria‘ around Y2K was justified is a complete non-sequitur to whether it is in relation to Brexit.

Furthermore, hysteria is a subjective term. One man’s hysteria is another man’s proportionate response. Brexit represents an existential long-term threat to this nation’s standing (relative and actual) in a way that Y2K never could or did, which arguably warrants a degree of ‘hysteria’.

As to the hive mentality, I, for one, would greatly welcome an articulate contribution to this thread from someone who can advocate the enduring case for Brexit, but there don’t seem to be many takers…
If only it was that simple and the major problem with brexit was the argument became simplistic.

For a start the original vote was simplistic and easy to manipulate. It was in effect a vote between status quo and change. This showed a total lack of vision from the remain camp who were happy with the status quo whilst allowing the Faragist leave camp to set an agenda for change. In a country where people were already suffering the effects of austerity it was easy for the leave camp to blame the EU and use the arguments we are all aware off to achieve their aims.
Lexiteers believed that freedom of movement for employers allow businesses to move to countries with lower wages and worse working conditions for employers for workers of all nationalities. Businesses would save money, but employees would lose out. In many cases throughout the EU, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) sided with the companies and it would cause issues of firms moving around the continent to make more money, rather than protect their workers. Employees legal rights across the EU were therefore not viewed as progressive as that proposed under Britain outside of EU legislation.

They also believed that being in the EU allowed free movement for workers which meant that wealthier countries that pay higher wages are more likely to see an influx of people seeking to move to the UK to seek bigger rewards for their work. As a result, there would be a rise in cheap labour – meaning that businesses would pay less and skilled workers would therefore miss out. You can actually see this point with the current round of strikes.

Lexiteers and the ERG made an unholy alliance because they want the same thing but come at it from two distinct positions. The ERG and Brexit fanatics foresaw a UK that was a libertarian (see Truss et al) free market entity, the Lexiteers saw the EU as a pro - Corporate anti worker entity.which espoused liberal beliefs

Here is an article on Lexit


Obviously the issue is/was we left the EU under the auspices of a clueless and under prepared Tory government who it appears never expected leave to win the day. Then a faction of ERG nutters aided and abetted by the RW media claimed Brexit was a vote for something it was not. Does anybody really believe that Red Wall voters voted leave because they were libertarian nutjobs?

The real problem in my mind was that Remain never made a case for reform, if it had and maybe espoused the virtues of the Scandi social democratic tradition then remain would have prevailed. Where as Johnson said we could have our cake and eat it, remain didnt want any cake.
 
You won't get the labour. UK farmers have tried to get British workers and it hasn't worked. Some UK growers are moving production to Eastern Europe. Brexit has increased food imports, at higher cost.

You get the labour if you pay the attractive rate to do the job.

Now that would push the prices of food sky high. The problem isn’t that you’ve got a shortage of labour, the problem is refusal to pay what’s needed due to the market price of food.
 
You get the labour if you pay the attractive rate to do the job.

Now that would push the prices of food sky high. The problem isn’t that you’ve got a shortage of labour, the problem is refusal to pay what’s needed due to the market price of food.
I would argue the other way. We, the British, have become 'soft' and will not do these jobs no matter how much you pay. It is backbreaking work in all conditions and we will not do it. People would rather sit at a till for much less.
 
I would argue the other way. We, the British, have become 'soft' and will not do these jobs no matter how much you pay. It is backbreaking work in all conditions and we will not do it. People would rather sit at a till for much less.

You’re right & it’s the same here but I’ve seen people leave professional industries to go & work in the mines. Hot, shit work away from families on FIFO but the pay is good.
 
You get the labour if you pay the attractive rate to do the job.

Now that would push the prices of food sky high. The problem isn’t that you’ve got a shortage of labour, the problem is refusal to pay what’s needed due to the market price of food.


You get Labour if there is an element of unemployment in the population ....what we are seeing now with strikes and highish wage demands is the product of near full employment and/or a Labour shortage in some areas because of a requirement for skills.
 
You get Labour if there is an element of unemployment in the population ....what we are seeing now with strikes and highish wage demands is the product of near full employment and/or a Labour shortage in some areas because of a requirement for skills.

that’s correct but then you see market force can then change that. In WA everything is exaggerated due to the remoteness of the state.

As soon as you had a short supply of truck drivers the pay rate increases & then before you know it the rate goes so high that the degree qualified BA is now driving a truck at a mine site.
 
Good news - latest banner ad on BM - I can get a Portuguese Golden Visa for £280k which gives me EU citizenship....... can anyone sub me £279.999 please - I'll pay back honest
 
I note the world bank have warned of a possible global recession as it highlighted problems in the 3 most powerful and significant trading blocks; China, the USA and the Eurozone. The yanks don’t want/need us, we are trying to disentangle ourselves from China and we’ve voluntarily pulled out of our nearest block. Almost impossibly it’s looking even more ridiculous, every day.……..
 
Mad bitch Hooey on newsnight still blaming the EU for everything and still looking like a typical Brexit loon seemingly wanting to go to war. Feels sorry for Boris because he signed an agreement that “he didn’t think the EU would implement“ and, if they did, it would be ‘temporary’.
So the negotiated agreement was unlikely to be agreed upon by one of the parties.
Err, yeah, right, ok.....
 
So the negotiated agreement was unlikely to be agreed upon by one of the parties.
Err, yeah, right, ok.....
It’s fucking embarrassing the way these deluded cunts flounder around blaming their own shite negotiations on everyone and everything but themselves for exposing us to that risk in the first place. That’s what happens when you decide to move the pieces on the board. I’ve says it before, but it deserves repeating again and again: we have unnecessarily unleashed forces that we simply cannot contain.

This is the Brexit you voted for.
 

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