United Thread - 2022/23

[SebastianBlue]

I think the problem was that Greenwood's partner was unwilling to testify. So as long as the defence team could come up with some remotely plausible excuse for the incident, there would be no grounds to pursue the case.

And, sadly, this is extremely common in domestic violence cases. In fact, it is not uncommon for the first violent offence charge for a domestic abuser to be manslaughter/murder as those most often cannot be refuted. Or for the abusee to be charged with manslaughter/murder when they take matters in to their own hands after their families and/or the legal system have failed them.

It is a tragic state of affairs and, despite various attempted reforms to improve the situation, the nature of domestic abuse (whereby those being abused often act against their own long-term self-interest because of fears of grave short-term--and even possible long-term--consequences) makes it very difficult to resolve. It is especially challenging because the culture of domestic abuse (i.e. parents of those being abused protecting the abuser because they themselves committed or allowed domestic abuse) often insulates abusers, as I think it did in this case from what I have read.

It is sometimes difficult for those that have never experienced domestic abuse to understand how difficult it is to not only imagine an escape from it but act on a plan to manage that escape.

It is all infuriating and I feel for the woman.

 

[SebastianBlue]

What a stupid idiot that girl is.

That is very, very harsh.

See my post above. And I would encourage you read about the psychological abuse and control an abuser (and their cohorts) often excert over an abusee. Police have even been complicit in it in certain cases (intentionally and unintentionally).

It can be incredibly difficult for abusees to believe they can escape the abuse or that they can be protected from the consequences of prosecuting the abuser.

 

[The Lightbowne Cowboy]

I'm not saying all our players and ex players are angels,but in the past some of them have come to justice for whatever the crimes were. But this shit stain of a club really takes the fucking biscuit! From Edwards to Blackmore, then Family man to Slabhead etc etc etc now this bullying little rat! You know behind the scenes the authorities, the media, the fa, in fact anybody with any clout have all colluded in getting these bastards off the hook. It doesn't matter what this rabble of shite get up too, they'll always be beyond reproach. I FUCKING DESPISE

 

[lawton mellor]

V .A .R stepped in and because he was offside at the time of the offence it cant be looked at or punished

 

[whp.blue]

A really difficult decision for the Rags










What shirt number should he have

And how to deal with his substantial back pay claim.

 

[The blue phantom]

Wonder if he really is genuine as I'm thinking back to that Giggs tweet.

 

[Lowtower]

Unreal, that poor girl, she needs her family to do what is right for her rather than what is happening now, horrific how some peoples parents care more about material things.

They surely cant be trying to find a way to let him back in the squad again?

And as for Gary Neville….

 

[jjctid]

If they ( and by they, I mean everyone - United, the media, the rest of the league...) allow him to step a foot anywhere near a pitch, I'll stop watching the PL altogether. And I mean this 100%. This case is so public and the evidence is so strong and disturbing, it would be sick, twisted, deviant and fucked up beyond all belief to allow him back.

And btw, Gary Neville deserves to burn in the deepest depths of hell!

I wonder what the rag ladies team have to say about this? Or maybe I should say WOULD like to say about this? Wasn't there a Scottish ladies team that managed to stop an alleged rapist from playing for the men's team?

 

[Blue Mist]

Someone just told me that they are still together??

Suppose you can't really prosecute someone when their chief witness is still sleeping in the defendants bed every night.

You put 2 teenagers in a 3 million pound mansion, with Lamborghini's and dropping 100k on jewellery and clothes like it's nothing, then expect the outcome to be normal? It just creates privileged monsters.

Many young footballers go to those private basement parties in Dubai, where you leave your phone at the door and all secrets stay buried. Trafficked girls from Eastern Europe are passed around like sweets. Then they come back here to the UK and think they can do the same. Like it's normal behaviour. Because they are rich and famous.

It's a trend that is pretty sickening. The senior pro's need to step in give them a kick in the bollocks.

They are together.
He was charged with Coercive and Controlling Behavior.
I think that might be the reason rather than the house and the car.

Oh and a wanker of a dad helps the control.

 

[cookster]

Didn't see this coming from her Dad's initial statement. What an absolute piece of shit.

 

[bitterblue78]

Let me just say this. If the video that came out of Mason Greenwood was brought against me, even if charges were dropped, my company would no longer want me representing them. I'd be gone. Mason Greenwood doesn't deserve to play football again.

 

[I'm Blue]

Wonder if he really is genuine as I'm thinking back to that Giggs tweet.

“Clumsy”
He’s liking a tweet where a violent rapist got off.
That ain’t clumsy that’s sick.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Let me just say this. If the video that came out of Mason Greenwood was brought against me, even if charges were dropped, my company would no longer want me representing them. I'd be gone. Mason Greenwood doesn't deserve to play football again.

Maybe your employer has more stringent standards than the rags management ?

 

[Scottyboi]

Her dad is a piece of shit hope he gets fucked up.

 

[Vester]

The only thing United are doing during its "own process" is trying to figure out a way minimize the backlash from his return, otherwise no "own process" would be needed. He is already back on their website listed as a player for them, they literally couldnt even wait on hour. If they come up with a story thats good enough for half the fanbase, he stays and protests that will be massive at first will get smaller and smaller the longer time has past. My guess is that he will return to the start of preseason in the summer. They will choose the "he is a victim of false accusations after an argument with his loved one who said some things because she was mad at him" approach. Point out that they are still together (if whats being rumored is true) and that he has not been charged with anything. Then decline to ever comment on the matter again. Former The Sun Chief Football Reporter and now United PR adviser Neil Ashton will tell club journos what to write, Neville will sell the narrative about that "the young boy has not even been charged with anything and deserves a chance" on Sky.

Only way they would actually do the right thing and boot him out is if they fear it would cause a massive backlash from sponsors. Which is not completely ruled out, we all saw the pictures and heard the tapes. But considering what a disgusting club the rags are in every way, my guess is that he will play for them next season.

 

[tweety]

Thinking about it. The CPS are acting disgracefully here. They decided there was enough evidence to charge Greewood with Coercive and Controlling Behaviour.
That means he decides what she does and says.
Now they drop the charges because she will not co-operate !!!!
I wonder why she refuses to assist in the prosecution case of a violent rapist, I can't work it out.

She may still be under his coercion. This happened to an acquaintance of mine years ago. She was battered beyond belief, he was put on remand for assault and a week later he was out, she'd dropped the charges such was his complete control of her. A year later he murdered her. There was a major kick off after the trial about the conduct of the police and cps and that it wouldn't happen again but obviously nothing has changed. I hope the girl gets away from him, a leopard doesn't change it's spots.

 

[James Morgan]

Has any club ever had more players connected with violence against women than Manchester United?

Greenwood is showing as being part of the squad now on the United website so I get the feeling they plan to bring him back in.

What a vile disgusting club they are!

Opposition fans need to go all out to show their duscust at this decision.

Maybe Bayern Munich and Madrid. With Ribery/Benzema.

I hate them.
However, I am reserving judgement. They acted swiftly in suspending him. One hopes they are now just following due process before dismissing him.

If that’s true, I will hold them higher in my estimations.

If he plays for them again, well, that confirms the calibre of that club.

We should though be careful, people in glass houses and all that. (Mendy).

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Maybe Bayern Munich and Madrid. With Ribery/Benzema.

I hate them.
However, I am reserving judgement. They acted swiftly in suspending him. One hopes they are now just following due process before dismissing him.

If that’s true, I will hold them higher in my estimations.

If he plays for them again, well, that confirms the calibre of that club.

We should though be careful, people in glass houses and all that. (Mendy).

Well Mendy has ended up in court AND been acquitted of half a dozen counts..two still pending.
On top of that I'm pretty damn sure he has no future at the club even if he miraculously morphed into the next Roberto Carlos

 

[Kinkladze 1]

Can you blame them it would have just ended up like the Giggs case, he said she said and no proper witnesses.

You don’t need witnesses when you’ve got audio tape of him raping her!

 

[FightLikeAGirl]

Agreed but not sure it's just relevant for footballers.
Rape convictions are really low. Many victims don't come forward, it's grim.

True. I know women who didn’t report their rapes for various reasons.