The Light Was Yellow Sir
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And Johnson once again saying once he’s won the war for Ukraine the best course of action for them is to join the EU. Satire is officially dead as reality has knocked it into a cocked hat……..
How do we resolve the Brexit mess?
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Bodicoteblue
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A bit of an insight into why it was so easy to get people to vote for brexit.
It's like the comment made by the EU hater and arch leaver Michael Gove after a question about the protocol regarding Northern Ireland, and he replied they would be in a very good position becuase they would continue enjoying the benefits EU membership would bring.
It's the only region in the UK prospering at the moment.
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babyape
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Sunak ‘risks full-scale trade war’ with Brussels by scrapping EU laws
Leading European politicians have warned that the prime minister’s plan to ditch EU legislation will trigger retaliatory countermeasures, including imposing tariffs on goods
www.theguardian.com
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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They knew what they were voting for.
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The Light Was Yellow Sir
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A trade war with the EU would be absolutely hilarious. Foaming Farage, Fuming Frost, Mad Mogg and Shaking Sunak will be fully exposed as the charlatans they are. Should it happen I’d imagine Boris will be moving to become leader of the Tories on the rejoin the EU ticket and thus becoming PM trying to reverse everything he agreed whist he was…….PM!Sunak ‘risks full-scale trade war’ with Brussels by scrapping EU laws
Leading European politicians have warned that the prime minister’s plan to ditch EU legislation will trigger retaliatory countermeasures, including imposing tariffs on goods
As I’ve said many times, satire is dead as real life politics have rendered it pointless…
Whatever the nut jobs running the country want to say and do to appease their supporters, and they will say anything to keep them onside, reality can't be avoided, and there is a reason the 'bonfire of EU laws' hasn't, and won't, happen.
It's impossible. There are too many agreements we have signed over the decades that interlink us with other agreements we have signed, and all of that is backed up with our signature on the Vienna Convention on the Legality of Treaties we signed in 1969.
Making a headline statement is all well and good, and it will appeal to the less informed in the electorate that think, now we have left the EU, we are free to act as we please, but cold, hard reality can't be avoided, and our reputation as a dependable and reliable country that honours it's commitments will crumble into the dust if we refuse to ackowledge our binding agreements. We will be seen as a pariah state, totally untrustworthy, and it won't just be the EU that react by imposing sanctions on us, but the rest of the world.
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I do not recall the Remain camp stating at the time that this would happen. Remain just assumed the prevailing status quo would prevail.
The status quo was never going to be a vote winner as the electorate wanted change.
Has anybody actually looked at what the Horizon Europe scheme actually is? I have
What is Horizon Europe?
Horizon Europe is the EU’s key funding programme for research and innovation with a budget of €95.5 billionIt tackles climate change, helps to achieve the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals and boosts the EU’s competitiveness and growth.
The programme facilitates collaboration and strengthens the impact of research and innovation in developing, supporting and implementing EU policies while tackling global challenges. It supports creating and better dispersing of excellent knowledge and technologies.
It creates jobs, fully engages the EU’s talent pool, boosts economic growth, promotes industrial competitiveness and optimises investment impact within a strengthened European Research Area
- European Innovation Council: Support for innovations with potential breakthrough and disruptive nature with scale-up potential that may be too risky for private investors. This is 70% of the budget earmarked for SMEs.
- New approach to partnerships: Objective-driven and more ambitious partnerships with industry in support of EU policy objectives
The Guardian article is somewhat misleading in relationship to the truth, but then its the Guardian who are just as polarised as the Brexit supporting media. Never trust Liberal media is my mantra, the Guardian is just another neo-liberal fan boy rag.
It’s always been tedious because nobody can see further than the end of their nose and ignorance of the issues is rife. It’s ya boo sucks level.
gordondaviesmoustache
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It’s only money for those pesky fucking ‘experts’.
I voted Leave and would do so again but I would have accepted a Remain 'win' without all this constant whining. So can I ask all the 'pissed off' Remainers how exactly leaving the EU has affected you personally. A top Ten list of what you, personally, are missing? I'm trying to understand why you are so pissed off, what are you missing? I'd prefer factual reasons, (colour of passports?) rather than personal preference but accept that feelings and emotions are also important.
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I’ll start with a few,
Low growth and recovery from the pandemic
Chronic staff shortages in health / hospitals, care , hospitality, farming
Loss of markets overseas for farmed goods due to time for added bureaucracy.
The loss of my children's and their peers right to free movement in Europe.
Not me but a colleague that had a business buying and selling into N.Ireland has lost a big chunk of that business ( of course with the border within the UK that would never happen)
If this bonfire of EU law goes ahead all things that will get worse , as will workers rights and conditions.
Theres a start,I’m sure others will add to your list. While you wait maybe you could post a list of benefits for balance ?
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The problems faced by the fishing industry don't affect me personally, neither am I particularly personally affected by the local cheese manufacturer who has seen his export trade dry up, I can still buy his cheeses. The fact that Eurostar is running two thirds full due to extra Brexit checks doesn't bother me and I'm not a lorry driver so not really bothered that they have to p;iss in bottles while queueing in Kent.
I'm not a touring musician so can't raise an objection to the difficult;ties faced by those who would like to tour Europe. I'm too old to consider working in Europe generally and although my sons aren't and have seen those opportunities lessened, well, doesn't bother me.
Really have to agree, from a personal point of view I don't have a problem with Brexit at all. I'm a selfish small picture type of **** after all.
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I have no intention of discussing the details of my family and business finances on a football forum so you can either choose to believe me or not when I tell you it's had a significant material impact and by which I don't mean 'just' a few thousand quid.
Beyond finances it's also significantly impacted my children's life choices and made it more difficult for us to potentially leave the UK to one of our preferred destinations. This is slightly circular in that had Brexit and the subsequent challenges not happened we'd have been less likely to look to move.
What I would say is that, as an example, research has put the cost of Brexit on household food bills in the last 2 years as around £6billion so something that effects the vast majority of people. It has been argued that covid and the war in Ukraine are the reasons for this and other economic challenges. Undoubtedly it is hard to disaggregate all that is going on in the world, but the research has taken that into account and how do you explain that of the major economies ours is the only one predicted to shrink rather than grow in the coming year and that includes a Russia which is the target of specific sanctions intended to harm it's economy. You could argue it's the incompetence of our government but I would say that in itself is directly related to the issue of Brexit within the Conservative paty.
I didn't have an ideological dog in the Brexit fight. I voted remain because whilst I could find rational information about the costs and risks of leaving I could find little equivalent information about the potential benefits of exiting. So though I have my own misgivings about the EU I was in a position where I was being asked to vote for something that had a cost to it but with no reasonably quantifiable benefits which didn't make sense to me. I am still interested to understand what people who still consider it a good idea believe to be beneficial about it both now and in the mid to long term so if you want to share your thoughts on that I would be interested.
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Here’s some personally experienced:
1. More expensive flights (on top of pandemic and fuel related issues) and less routes
2. Roaming charges in some countries.
3. Huge queues for Eurostar.
4. 20 hour wait in A&E due to understaffing because of EU workers having gone home
5. Huge queues at Madrid passport control whilst EU lanes were empty.
6. Less choice of produce in supermarket. Some products regularly missing.
7. Much more expensive to visit USA due to effect on pound dollar exchange rate.
8. Long delay and additional cost to item purchased online from EU.
All fairly trivial compared to the issues faced by exporters, importers, the NHS, students, musicians, farming, fishing, aviation, manufacturers, food producers and practically every segment of the economy that deals with Europe.
Now let’s have your top few benefits that affect you personally. Not that daft list of abstract bullshit that you posted last time.
By the way, the only people whining are the idiot Brexiteers blaming Remainers for the fact it’s not working rather than taking ownership of the shit you inflicted on us all.
gordondaviesmoustache
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In no particular order:
1. Seeing our standing in the world become hugely diminished.
2. Exposing a wanky undemocratic system’s failures even further
3. More power being given to our executive
4. Labour shortages in healthcare and hospitality
5. Immigration situation being worse than it otherwise would be
6. Increase in red tape for business
7. Inconvenience getting in and out of the country
8. The collapse of the £ since 2016
9. The discernible decrease in environmental standards
10. Having to listen to nonces like Rees-Mogg blame it all on the EU