PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[hilts]

How do I mute people’s posts about TalkSport? Can we mute keywords like you can on Twitter?

Dont like muting individuals but why would anyone A) Care what Keown and Jordan say about this subject B) Then post on here ha.

My gran probably has an opinion on this but I wouldn’t share it on here and she’d have the same knowledge as Keown on the matter.

You under estimate your gran

 

[Keeper!]

What are we being charged with?

Only having 5 fingers , our Derby friends had 6, hence the relegation and the fact they had a Granny shagger as manager.

 

[MasterSystemMan]

What are we being charged with?

From the BBC,

What have City been charged with?
In a statement the Premier League said City breached rules requiring them to provide "accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club's financial position".

This information covered club revenue, which includes sponsorship income and operating costs.

Further alleged breaches relate to rules requiring full details of manager remuneration - from the 2009-10 to 2012-13 seasons, when Roberto Mancini was in charge - and player remuneration between 2010-11 and 2015-16.

The Premier League said City breached rules related to Uefa regulations, including Financial Fair Play (FFP), from 2013-14 to 2017-18, as well as Premier League rules on profitability and sustainability from 2015-16 to 2017-18.

 

[Bantamgaz]

why does anyone listen to talksport?

Someone pointed it out to me ages ago .......... I actually detest the station

 

[give it to gordon]

When this goes to the high court and City win do the pl pay us damages ?

 

[bluemoon32]

There probably isn’t and it’s probably one last throw of the dice to get Man City out of the way ...........I seriously hope if there are no charges then the owners actually do something about rather than playing the nice guys ........... this needs nailing once and for all these bastards have done all they can to throw mud at you lot and drag the name of MCFC through the gutter time it stopped once and for all

We're not getting away with every charge, no fucking way.
We'll be found guilty of something & that's all anyone will need to continue to slag off our club, it won't end.

 

[Bill]

its all about damaging the brand .
putting players off , putting sponsors off and so on .

you can smell the fear .

 

[metalblue]

Reading between the lines here with a bit of creative license. The PL have requested information off us over the past 4 years covering the period since take over. We’ve been a bit reluctant, in some requests to provide it, perhaps we got bored of thousands of requests or believe we’d already provided sufficient evidence. The PL have decided to charge us as we have failed, in their opinion, to reasonably supply the requested documents rather than the PL having actual evidence to support wrong doing.

The club, for their part, believe we have all the evidence to disprove these allegations.

 

[Gordyola]

I am a Derby County fan and we have been absolutely shafted by the EFL for far less than what you guys have been charged with.

I think you are almost certain to see a huge points deduction and a two to three year transfer embargo.

I doubt it very much but we shall see

Can you also give me a detailed explanation of the charges, since you seem to know?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

It’ll be interesting to see what our rivals think our ‘punishment’ should be, whilst waiting for a decision.
I’d imagine they’ll propose a transfer ban until the outcome is decided. In that case I’d imaging the outcome will be decided on September 2nd….

 

[halfcenturyup]

Serious question here then. How would you feel about the situation if City are indeed found guilty of the bulk of these charges (there 100 of them, so I'm going to assume some of these will stick) and City are handed an unprecedented punishment, say a massive points deduction? Will your anger and ire be directed at your owners, or at the PL?

It depends on the details of the charges obviously. This is the sort of thing that fans of other clubs should really be avoiding at the moment.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

What is the most serious offence we have committed out of all the 100+ offences?

Cut the grass too short! Rule K20

 

[KingGeorge]

I doubt I’m alone in thinking fans of other teams should stay out of this discussion topic. We aren’t interested in your commentary.

 

[Dribble]

Serious question here then. How would you feel about the situation if City are indeed found guilty of the bulk of these charges (there 100 of them, so I'm going to assume some of these will stick) and City are handed an unprecedented punishment, say a massive points deduction? Will your anger and ire be directed at your owners, or at the PL?

The Premier League & the Hateful Eight clubs who're pissed at us because we broke up their cosy Sky 4 cartel, which guaranteed them CL football season after season.

The only thing they had to consider was what league order the Sky 4 would finish, & who'd have to play a Champions League qualifying round match against the Azerbaijan Champions to secure a group slot.

City have upset their apple cart. They can't beat us on the pitch, so they've been trying everything from the beginning to nobble us off it...

 

[ballbag]

From the BBC,

What have City been charged with?
In a statement the Premier League said City breached rules requiring them to provide "accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club's financial position".

This information covered club revenue, which includes sponsorship income and operating costs.

Further alleged breaches relate to rules requiring full details of manager remuneration - from the 2009-10 to 2012-13 seasons, when Roberto Mancini was in charge - and player remuneration between 2010-11 and 2015-16.

The Premier League said City breached rules related to Uefa regulations, including Financial Fair Play (FFP), from 2013-14 to 2017-18, as well as Premier League rules on profitability and sustainability from 2015-16 to 2017-18.

What rules were breached?

 

[OrigamiNinja]

Like I said if we have been guilty of breaking the PL rules which require audited accounts to be submitted then, it infers that we have submitted falsified accounts and has such this is a criminal offence

So why are the police not involved? Surely if the PL uncover this, their next step is not to put together a PL independent review but to involve the authorities who take it away from the PL?

Surely the process isn’t PL think we have committed fraud -> Independent review agrees -> City fight it at High Court -> Police get involved depending on the outcome?

It doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[CC1]

anyone know if City can object to any of the members appointed to the investigatory panel on grounds of bias & conflict of interest?

 

[Gingers Dad]

Suppose we should have just got ourselves into 100s of million of pounds of debt instead. Because that's the correct way to run a football club apparently.

That's so 1990's. It billions of debt now

 

[cptaidan88]

I don't believe for one minute that we paid off Mancini's severance fee and didn't include it in the accounts - that would be arguably more amateurish and stupid than anything Swales ever did. I thought the Mancini stuff was to do with whether he'd taken up another post and was being paid for that as well as for managing City?

As for inflation of investments - hasn't this already been dealt with by UEFA/CAS and ultimately no evidence of wrongdoing was found?

No evidence was found OR it was time barred. Theoretically it isn't time barred here but I think the 6 year limit might end up applying.

Based on the leaked emails, it seems like it will boil down to:

What we said we did IS legal, but did we take a shortcut and mess up the invoicing and payments.

If we have a contract with Etihad that says we'll receive £Xm on X date, can we evidence that invoice and show the money coming into the bank from Etihad. Whether it ultimately came from HRH is largely irrelevant but that's the paper trail required and it's important. If the money has come in directly to us from another source (rather than Etihad) then that is an issue, especially if it can be linked to HRH.

I don't see how our auditors would have signed off on it though, so I'm relatively at ease with that accusation.

Agree with your view on Mancini issue.

Suspect the acting in good faith charges will stick, but not much else.

 

[p.taker]

Think most City fans with their head screwed on unsubscribed a while ago.

Yep. Was the easiest decision I ever made.