PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

AdamMarrett said:
I don't think there will be any deals this time. They've gone to far. They've attacked the club & everything it stands for and the business practices of Sheikh Mansour, Khaldoon and others in key roles at the club, plus other accounting firms linked to the club.

Just look at the coverage, it's barely mentioned that it's charges that have to be proven it's a public hanging of the club and the way it's run via the media. Look at the pompous prick Simon Jordan's coverage amongst all the others. He's saying he doesn't like the arrogance from City, there's a reason our owners are mutli billionaires with actual power, and he's a failed football club owner with a spot on Talksport, it's the arrogance he never had to make it in that world. Same with Harris, that Tariq Panja and all the other writers that have kept up this crusade against us since 2008 with their witch hunt.

There's no coming back from this from the Premier League to City, if they extend a olive branch it's likely to be grabbed by us and wrapped around their head. Nor do they deserve any favours from us and now they'll never get them again.

If we're guilty in a fair trial and hearing we'll cop our whack and heads will roll etc but I'll back business men in who know what they're doing in the business world over a hung trial by a entity that is serving the cartel of clubs who never saw the winds of change coming until it blew their front door down and wrecked everything they held dear.

For me it's scorched earth time and the Premier League and their precious cartel of clubs deserve, same with the others that tagged along for the ride.
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Agreed, muck or bust this time, the stakes are enormous for one and all!
 
How can we have no right to appeal if indees the independent commission gives it finding against. Should move to court to get an injunction against this whole farce.
 
lonestay said:
So when we have dragged the PL through the courts and won where does that leave football in the UK ? Hopefully in a better position than it is now. This whole corrupt regime needs sorting out once and for all, and if it's City that needs to bring it down then so be it. We need to go for the jugular and keep slashing until this biased corrupt organisation is shown for what it is, institutionally corrupt .
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Time and pressure.
 
Cityinmyheart said:
How can we have no right to appeal if indees the independent commission gives it finding against. Should move to court to get an injunction against this whole farce.
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There is always a right of appeal to the law courts, even after CAS, iirc. But you must have a pretty strong legal argument, I think.
 
west didsblue said:
Seems to me to be a case of throwing as much shit at us as possible and hoping that some of it will stick. Worst case is that something significant will stick and we get branded as cheats and punished accordingly. Best case is that none of it sticks but we get branded as cheats anyway based on the no smoke without fire theory. So it’s win win for the cartel. We get dragged through the mud irrespective of the outcome.

My prediction is that a few of the minor infringements will stick and we’ll end up with a small fine. The sorts of things that probably every club is guilty of if you look hard enough. This will be enough for the fans of the red clubs to make out we’ve got away with it and they will never let it drop.
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They'll never let it drop anyway. It's called being a bad loser. Something my brilliant City supporting Dad & his mates never let happen to me.
 
Metalartin said:
Long road ahead, many click bait-nonsense articles and ranty journo tweets to come, with attacks on the ownership, the club and no doubt it's fanbase again. They've been given a free pass to write whatever they want about City, no matter how libellous. The new typical City.

Seems a bit pointless refreshing the thread for now, it's exhausting thinking about how long this might take. Even if it does go the same way as the UEFA one. Might be a good time for City fans to look into meditation techniques and avoiding barking at the wind too much.
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I don't do twitter, facebook or anything like that. Bluemoon, email, text, phone, matchday live and occasional WhatsApp is more than enough for me. That might take the exhaustion down a notch or 2.
 
I just hope the club finally decides to fight back after this, we have been far far too lenient with the media and individuals accusing us of all sorts over the last decade.
If found not guilty, it’s time they played dirty themselves, start banning certain media from the ground, take legal action for false accusations by individuals, do their own investigations like they did re Lee Mason and having him removed in our first title winning year, PGMOL be a good start, release the dirt on other teams activity inc the hacking scandal etc
 
bluealf said:
Tomorrow is groundhog Day and will be until a conclusion is reached.
In real life and in this thread.

Rinse and repeat for months to come.
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Mehh. Who cares? No-one knows what the real situation is. And the few people who do know shouldn't be telling anyone. And even if they do, it weakens their case and strengthens ours. Let the sports press write what they want. They wouldn't know the ins and outs of a complicated financial case if it hit them in the face. Those on here who spread doom and gloom on here need a slap, though.
 
I get why it has reared its head again... the narrative of sportswashing and financial doping is pretty much omnipresent in the media and if that were proven, it would appear to undermine the basic principle of fair play in sports. (Taking aside all the whataboutery of the double standards of FFP etc).

The other top clubs in the PL hate losing and will try anything to stop us. I'm not sure they see a downside to pushing for this: if proven, great, and if not it's still disruptive, right?

But will it be proven? I have no shadow of a doubt that our management have pushed the envelope of what was legal to its absolute limit. It's literally their job to do that. The entire club's professional ethos, and success, is based on pushing every last marginal advantage as far as as it can. And because we are the best run club in the world, we are very, very good at that. It will of course be the same with our accounting.

Will we have done things which are outside the spirit of the law? I wouldn't rule it out. Financial shithousery? Maybe. But fraud? Can't see it. I have no doubt we act very consciously within the letter of the law. And if it's proven that we don't, the management will have been colossally stupid and while it will be devastating as fans, the club will deserve everything that's coming to it. But I don't think that's likely.

If I have some sliver of doubt, it's the fear that we may have done something stupid in the early days of the takeover, before FFP and financial controls were so well established. And I am concerned that the process will drag on and destabilise us in the meantime. No PL player wants to have to force the thought of relegation because of legal action out of their minds on match day. And there are enough cases from countries like Italy to make that feel real, however the club will be reassuring players and agents. And no top player will want to join a club where that is a possibility. So I really hope it doesn't drag on and on.
 
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cheekybids said:
For that alone he should never be allowed to set foot in the ground. Sanctimonious bullshitting ****.
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Personally I always liked Henry Winter's writing and thought he wrote about City as a football team in a fair and even admiring way. Whether his opinion about the club's financial dealings ("cleared but not innocent") is based on mere journalistic instinct or guessing in the dark or an insight based on inside knowledge is a question that remains to be answered. It won't get answered fairly if the PL, which means rags, L'pool, Arsenal, are determined to do us in, but I don't think Winter himself is an active part of that conspiracy.

More generally, there's many City fans, I'm one, who always had the nagging thought that the dazzling brilliance of the last 12 years was a bubble that might burst. Let's hope they (we) are wrong.
 
bobom said:
I get why it has reared its head again... the narrative of sportswashing and financial doping is pretty much omnipresent in the media and if that were proven, it would appear to undermine the basic principle of fair play in sports. (Taking aside all the whataboutery of the double standards of FFP etc).

The other top clubs in the PL hate losing and will try anything to stop us. I'm not sure they see a downside to pushing for this: if proven, great, and if not it's still disruptive, right?

But will it be proven? I have no shadow of a doubt that our management have pushed the envelope of what was legal to its absolute limit. It's literally their job to do that. The entire club's professional ethos, and success, is based on pushing every last marginal advantage as far as as it can. And because we are the best run club in the world, we are very, very good at that. It will of course be the same with our accounting.

Will we have done things which are outside the spirit of the law? I wouldn't rule it out. Financial shithousery? Maybe. But fraud? Can't see it. I have no doubt we act very consciously within the letter of the law. And if it's proven that we don't, the management will have been colossally stupid and while it will be devastating as fans, the club will deserve everything that's coming to it. But I don't think that's likely.

If I have some sliver of doubt, it's the fear that we may have done something stupid in the early days of the takeover, before FFP and financial controls were so well established. And I am concerned that the process will drag on and destabilise us in the meantime. No PL player wants to have to force the thought of relegation because of legal action out of their minds on match day. And there are enough cases from countries like Italy to make that feel real, however the club will be reassuring players and agents. And no top player will want to join a club where that is a possibility. So I really hope it doesn't drag on and on.
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I wouldn't worry about either of those. They can't apply rules in place after 2012 to years before 2012, and I would imagine the rules in place before 2012 have plenty of scope for "creativity". And I doubt top players care much about the legal side other than having a "relegation then release" clause or for the top top players a " no CL then release" clause. They can get those, legal problems or no. Not sure that would affect performance either. Didn't seem to during the UEFA/CAS nonsense.

I suppose we will see.
 
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