PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

PrezIke said:
Just heard a some extraordinarily interesting bit that rang true to what I was writing and some others

listening to between Mark Champman and Matt Slater on the episode titled, 'Why the PL are going to war with Manchester City' for today's The Athletic's Football Podcast (Sam Lee was on as well).

Champan says,

"There's a difference with UEFA (a governing body) charging City vs. a member led organization where one member is charged. I think that does call into question dynamics, particularly within the football world. A lot of fans of a lot of clubs would be interested as to how that would work".

Slater: Is it Man United, Arsenal, Spurs, all that lots' fault? Are they poking the PL to do this?

"Yeah, probably. But what was the PL supposed to do"?

After going over the past events and charges against City.

He clearly lines out the other reasons.

City beat UEFA. PL has tried.

PL & City have been in "trench warfare" he says over the past few years.

Bringing up other problems PL has with reputation and finding a better process to address problems.

"Once you start down this road. You've got to see it through".

He then adds the way this is "being viewed" aka optics raising the question, "Is this incredibly embarrassing?

and to vindicate like Tebas or is it B"...

"To send a message we take financial impropriety seriously.

We will go after our biggest, most powerful people.

So, yes, you can invest here. Yes, you can trust us. We are serious. We have a rulebook. We stand by it."
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To send a message we take financial impropriety seriously.

We will go after our biggest, most powerful people.

So, yes, you can invest here. Yes, you can trust us. We are serious. We have a rulebook. We stand by it."

^ I’m all for this so long as they shine that evangelical light on the rest of the teams in the PL and hold them to the same standards as Manchester City……otherwise it’s just a witch hunt.
 
When this is over we as a club manchester city f c should refuse entry to the ground on matchdays to any officials from clubs who signed the origianal letter, from anyone of them currently pushing this through...

Stop any of the ferral twats who are entitled to hospitality to 0 ... nada..

Also the same for the press, hounded us from the minute the takeover happened....

This will just feul the hatred between us and them ,,,.,,, and i love it ...

They want a war ... whatever the outcome they should get fucking metcon 6
 
Old Amos said:
Thanks for that. Having had a chance to trawl through a selection of the six thousand odd posts I realise that I need to follow up a few links.Apart from the contributions of the few who understand finance or the law the overall impression is of almost overwhelming anger - not surprising either: the stuff on some of the media sites takes the breath away - guilty till proven innocent, "no smoke without fire", the harshest punishments demanded, and all this just on the strength of the charge sheet .. I had no idea..obviously I need to get out more. That said, I'm still not much wiser about the substance of the claims against City. Probably best to start with the EPL website to see what the tidily one hundred offences are.
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City spaces podcast is probably a pretty good place to start
 
blueparrot said:
A couple of random thoughts.
UEFA /CAS - Our refusal to co-operate and holding back all our evidence, I know we said it was because of leaks. Wonder if really we were laying a big elephant trap for UEFA and were somewhat dissapointed when CAS said we don't want your evidence because we won't be looking at it due to time barring.
So have laid the same trap for the Premier league and kept our evidence back for the independant commitee to see and expose the P/L . After all if we'd given it all to UEFA/P/L we may have been found innocent but it would have been on the quiet.
As I say it's just random thoughts, but makes more sense to me than we were fraudulent for years and incompetant with it and think we can bluster our way out., that really makes no sense.
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We cooperated with UEFA/G14 in 2013 to ensure we complied with FFP. They viewed our interim accounts & said they were fine, we'd passed & we had four weeks to submit our certified accounts.

During that four week period, UEFA/G14 moved the monitoring period back by 12 months, meaning the Tevez transfer & 12 months of his wages were now part of the calculation.

City went from being £3m inside FFP, to being £3m outside it, hence the CL squad reduction & a £50m per season transfer cap for THREE SEASONS. Then there was the £50m fine! :-/

Based on this previous experience, is it any surprise that City have refused to show their hand again? We probably reasoned that paying a fine for non-cooperation is the least worst scenario for us.

Another thing which is intriguing me is NOT ONE Rag fan who's been harassing me over this, is in favour of an independent body to oversee football. I wonder why? \0/
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
They are guessing, do you really think these cunts would give us a small points deduction if they found us guilty of some of the more serious offences? I'm telling you they would hit us as hard as they could, and we will be left appealing against the severity of the sanctions in court. Don't let these scheming, morally bereft cunts lure you into a false sense of security. We need to sleep with one eye open.
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And the other two closed.
 
zandvoort blue said:
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Haha Bravo Sir!
 
chesterbells said:
I don’t work in papers; maybe as seems to be the case often, he didn’t write the headline for his article. Reading it, he actually says “maybe” we “broke the rules”, and if we did in as widespread a fashion as the number of accusations suggests we should suffer a points deduction or immediate relegation, if they are proved true, but tbh mate, that really isn’t the thrust of what he’s writing about.
For the avoidance of any doubt, he’s writing about Manchester united, about liverpool and about arsenal.
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Journos don't write the captions to their articles as far as I am aware.
 
bluetonium said:
Another point to mention, as with the UEFA charges we have apparently not complied with requests to submit financial information. And as with UEFA I think we have reasonable grounds to suspect they wouldn't keep it to themselves or use for personal gain.

Would you share your club's finances with this lot?


CEO - Richard Masters, an Aston Villa fan, accused by Newcastle of acting inappropriately during their takeover, namely by fiddling the fit and proper test to exclude Newcastle's potential new Saudi owners. In 2021 an investigation into competition law found Masters had abused his position to award Qatari tv rights to the premier league to a preferred bidder, beIN sports. He's still in position despite this.

Secretary - Kevin Plumb, who was famously involved in exchanging emails containing misogynistic and sexist views with former chief, Richard Scudamore including calling women 'gash'. Both retained their positions. He's also the guy who is tasked with bringing down illegal football streams.

Non executive director - Mai Fyfield, a Sky director whose responsibilities include the distribution of sky channels to platforms such as cable and IPTV. No conflicts there, then!

Non executive director - Dharmesh Mistry, an investment banker who describes himself as an 'avid' Liverpool fan...

Chair - Alison Brittain, a Manchester United fan and former CEO of the Whitbread group. Seemingly ok with sharing the board with sexists if it means putting down her teams' arch rivals.

That's not even mentioning former chair Gary Hoffman, also chair of the bank Monzo at the same time as his premier league role, whom are I believe still under investigation for money laundering by the FCA.
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It's not just that, the investigation started in 2018.

Yet 30 of the charges relate to us not handing over documents for the 2017/18, 2018/19, 2019/20, 2020/21 and 2021/22 seasons.

I mean 4 of those seasons hadn't even happened when the investigation started and the other season we were in the middle of.

So why should City hand over those documents when they aren't at all relevant to the investigation.

Whilst we're at in do they want Sheikh Mansours pin number?
Probably fine us for not disclosing that.
 
jrb said:
Won’t post the full article. BM rules.

Headline + last paragraph.

Martin Samuel in the Times.

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It was at this point that the City project went into overdrive. Sergio Agüero, Yaya Touré, David Silva, Roberto Mancini. The FFP drawbridge was shutting and they escalated recruitment rapidly to get inside the castle. The accusation remains that, in doing so, they were not honest. Maybe. But, paradoxically, they kept the league honest, because standards improved and have never been higher. City have helped make the Premier League the place to be, because the best players are here, the best managers and the best football. Still, watching mediocre United teams win title after title; that would definitely have been fun too.
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That article should required reading for all supporters of other clubs.
 
Ric said:
Not sure if I’m missing something, but why would that be relevant to this?
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up till now there’d been no bids for any of the red shirts, and no firm interest in the scousers, so basically a waiting game ensued while the PL followed through with promises made to their owners, who’d probably intimated to prospective new investors/owners that we would be facing doomsday, all of a sudden that guaranteed top four place is a bit more attainable
 
How does any of this compare to the Swindon stuff back in the day? Didn’t they get done for paying players illegally?
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
The PL are being used by the red shirts, this is clear. They are desperate to test City on the facts that were time-barred in UEFA's case against us because that, and City being "non-cooperative", is pretty much all they have. I think we have to be careful, though. Once it becomes clear that there's no case to answer, the PL will be a shell of its former self, weak in the eyes of those using it, and THAT is when the new European Super League will be announced - with or without us.
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The Premier League ARE the red shirts...
 
MillsyTheMosher said:
Presume he’s referring to the bitter ongoing feud between Qatar and UAE/Saudi.

Still it’s a non relevant point.
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You don’t think us being charged changes things for prospective new owners of either the rags or dippers ? It changes everything, their investment levels, potential earnings, the prospect of a super league, they want us out of the picture and will then move on to Newcastle
 
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