PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

The lynching surrounds us breaking premier league rules. The rules were twisted and bent to entrap the club. Yes we signed up but under the assumption the club would be treated fairly and not attacked at the whim of other members. The Sicilian mafia would be proud of this lot. Let’s rename the premier league the criminal red syndicate and be done with it.
 
JewelZee said:
So you're saying we're cooked, because trust me we're not going to get anywhere with the PL or any PL appeal panel. Are you saying that City has no recourse available to them in the courts? In that case wtf are we even talking about? I tend to believe that is not accurate.
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City could sue the PL for breaching their contract with City during the course of the investigation and/or subsequent hearing.

The Court(s) wouldn’t have the power to overturn the decision(s) made by the PL per se, but their ruling could seriously undermine the legitimacy of the PL ruling, be incredibly embarrassing for the PL and fan the flames of a potential independent regulator being established…
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Check out Sly Stone's last line - and of course he will be the fucker bringing the topic up.
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Simon Stone, as ugly on the outside as he is on the inside. BBC ****. I wonder if the BBC has taken down the blue plaques for Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall...
 
Blu1 said:
Now the dust as slightly settled.

Football as we know it is about to change. Similar to the world we live in.

We are in big trouble & im not sure why & we probably will never know. Politics at play with the league & other clubs.

The fact so many clubs have said they want us out is bizarre when you look at the cash utd, Newcastle & Chelsea are throwing around.

They want this City project stopped now & will go out with guns blazing to stop it.

The prem league lose this battle then the brand is damaged forever, I actually think if they win & the brand is damaged. Makes it even more strange what they are doing now in middle of a season. Nobody wins from this.

I’m really not sure where this will leave our beloved City but I do see us being charged. 100% fine & heavy point deduction & sadly I do see a relegation thrown in too.

Bizarre times. We might be seeing the last of pep to so I hope his song is loud for the rest of the season.
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It'll be at the worst a fine and transfer ban we aren't getting relegated, we would drag them through every court in the land if they tried that as there is simply no justification for a punishment that severe. The club will do a great case defending us they always have in the past so I believe in them.

Anyway guilty or not guilty the club owners have been fantastic. We've been forced to do financial gymnastics for years now it cannot be easy for them when clearly there's an organised witch hunt.
 
argyle said:
The UEFA panel did. I fear the same. The PL is, afterall, paying their wages and they are involved with the PL besides sitting on this panel.

It will be like being investigated by the company you work for (who want you gone) by the panel of their choosing without, however, being able to take it to a truly independant tribunal or the courts afterwards if you know they have been unfair and wrong.
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Sounds like we could be fucked tbh
 
bluetonium said:
Another point to mention, as with the UEFA charges we have apparently not complied with requests to submit financial information. And as with UEFA I think we have reasonable grounds to suspect they wouldn't keep it to themselves or use for personal gain.

Would you share your club's finances with this lot?


CEO - Richard Masters, an Aston Villa fan, accused by Newcastle of acting inappropriately during their takeover, namely by fiddling the fit and proper test to exclude Newcastle's potential new Saudi owners. In 2021 an investigation into competition law found Masters had abused his position to award Qatari tv rights to the premier league to a preferred bidder, beIN sports. He's still in position despite this.

Secretary - Kevin Plumb, who was famously involved in exchanging emails containing misogynistic and sexist views with former chief, Richard Scudamore including calling women 'gash'. Both retained their positions. He's also the guy who is tasked with bringing down illegal football streams.

Non executive director - Mai Fyfield, a Sky director whose responsibilities include the distribution of sky channels to platforms such as cable and IPTV. No conflicts there, then!

Non executive director - Dharmesh Mistry, an investment banker who describes himself as an 'avid' Liverpool fan...

Chair - Alison Brittain, a Manchester United fan and former CEO of the Whitbread group. Seemingly ok with sharing the board with sexists if it means putting down her teams' arch rivals.

That's not even mentioning former chair Gary Hoffman, also chair of the bank Monzo at the same time as his premier league role, whom are I believe still under investigation for money laundering by the FCA.
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I’d just like to say that Dharmesh is doing a wank job as everyone I know watches football on magic boxes.
 
Metalartin said:
This is starting to stink if there is truly is no route to court. UEFA told everyone they were independent, that they had proof. It was found they did not. CAS's name got dragged through the dirt, rather than UEFA who misled everyone. Lies were told that UEFA proved to CAS things they did not, that City got off on "technicalities" on charges that weren't even explored at CAS.

The PL got to spend years building a case with their legal team. City's legal team has 2 weeks to respond. They appoint who they like as the chair and City have to accept it. All this talk of "City wont be allowed to drag this out". Smacks of: Don't defend yourself, don't challenge the "totally impartial" PL, accept it even if you know it's wrong.

Going back to a second committee appointed by them, is supposed to make City fans feel any more confident of a fair hearing why? If the first one is bad enough to justify redoing it, then what good is letting the same body orchestrate it again?

There has to be route one way or another, the PL aren't the law. No matter how many rules they put in their rulebook.
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I'm not sure I think our lawyers will be ready and pretty clued up from the CAS case as it wasn't that long ago.

I think that could be the PL's error here as they underestimate our preparedness.
 
The old romantic in me sees this as a fight to protect Yaya, Silva D , Vinnys, Sergio, Mancini and now Peps legacy it even touches on Bell, Summerbee whose families are woven into our fabric.

The old git that dominates my later years wonders how the chuff our big wigs didn't see it coming after 4 years investigation.

Either way win or lose a lot of media hacks, lawyers are quids in at our expense and the romance of the beautiful game bruised again.
 
Question for the experts

As I don’t know if we have committed any of these (and if people know, they have far more contacts then me and can imagine only a few people know for certain).

However, we cannot have just made it through PL FFP, it is a lot more generous then UEFA’s so there must be some wriggle room. This is memory and struggling to get the figures at the time online.

If they were to be able to prove something surely 2009 - 2011 is irrelevant for FFP anyway.

Then the years after they get some through and with that take into consideration we would still have passed, where does that leave us?

Now obviously the charges are about misleading etc. and it can argued whether we would have passed or not is actually irrelevant (and of course they will).

But it does make it harder with any potential punishment that there would not have been a breach regardless.

It could be that they then fine due to this, warn about future conduct but accept no sporting sanctions as actually regardless of this there was no sporting breach.

A lot of 2 + 2 = 453 etc. but I would be interested with someone more knowledgeable view on this?
 
argyle said:
The UEFA panel did. I fear the same. The PL is, afterall, paying their wages and they are involved with the PL besides sitting on this panel.

It will be like being investigated by the company you work for (who want you gone) by the panel of their choosing without, however, being able to take it to a truly independant tribunal or the courts afterwards if you know they have been unfair and wrong.
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The arbitration panel will all be highly respected and well remunerated people, hearing briefs from some of the countries most well known, eye-wateringly expensive QC’s on both sides of the table…..

The idea that they’re going to be biased in their ruling thanks to a crisp £20 and all you can eat Nando’s from the PL is thankfully not worth worrying about.
 
kiam06 said:
I'm not sure I think our lawyers will be ready and pretty clued up from the CAS case as it wasn't that long ago.

I think that could be the PL's error here as they underestimate our preparedness.
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Well it's not like the PL haven't hired lawyers every bit as good that learned from UEFA's failings. It's like one team coming off the back of pre-season and the other being full tilt. Maybe that's a bad analogy, I don't know. Doesn't seem that fair to me though.
 
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So we can’t take a guilty verdict to the courts? Not what I wanted to hear. I don’t care what anyone says about this KC, he’s an Arsenal fan. With it being their rules and having the red shirts breathing down their necks, this isn’t going to end well. I’ve been feeling confident since last night, but not at all now.
 
This in a nutshell is the problem £1.4b spent and nothing to show for it. The cartel are having to spend spend spend just try and keep up meaning their owners slice of pie is now nothing.
 

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Manchester_lalala said:
So we can’t take a guilty verdict to the courts? Not what I wanted to hear. I don’t care what anyone says about this KC, he’s an Arsenal fan. With it being their rules and having the red shirts breathing down their necks, this isn’t going to end well. I’ve been feeling confident since last night, but not at all now.
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It isn't half causing me stress, feel like I need a good break from it all.
 
Manchester_lalala said:
So we can’t take a guilty verdict to the courts? Not what I wanted to hear. I don’t care what anyone says about this KC, he’s an Arsenal fan. With it being their rules and having the red shirts breathing down their necks, this isn’t going to end well. I’ve been feeling confident since last night, but not at all now.
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Why can’t we take it to the courts?
 
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