PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

tolmie's hairdoo said:
The more I speak to people surrounding City, the less I am fretting.

It's as if we already know we will be more than fine.

I'm not going to invest much more angst into this, as everything else is just partisan and misinformed bollocks.

Our summer transfer window could make Chelsea's January one resemble a car jumble.
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Hairdoo once again is a voice of reason. We need to calm down and view things as objectively as we can.
This morning many folk are shitting themselves because it appears there is no direct appeal route for City to the High Court.
Now while this may be the situation it does not mean that the case or certain aspects of it won't end up there eventually. It most certainly will, if the PL behaves like some cheerleaders in the media who have effectively declared us guilty already.
projectriver said:
what is the point of just asserting stuff. The law is clear (as are the rules) that it would need to be "serious irregularity" causing "substantial injustice to the applicant." This is obviously a high bar, magical or otherwise.
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I will not get involved in the nitty gritty of this debate but one thing that I am certain off after my stay on this planet is that the law and rules are never clear.
 
projectriver said:
100% this would NOT qualify as serious irregularity
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The fact that he pays money into Arsenal’s bank account every year makes him totally impartial when his club will have insisted on this investigation too?

Flip it round. If it was Arsenal who were charged and he concluded “nothing to see here” that would be a ‘Fair enough moment’?
 
Thank you to Stefan and Lloyd for their detailed coverage on Monday, which provided some comfort along with a much better understanding of the situation.

One question that comes to mind when considering the length of any case is the overall wider impact on the league.

Stepping back, it's obvious the PL is a worldwide brand and is reliant on astronomical broadcast and sponsorship revenues. There's also the political angle too, with the UAE becoming a major partner in Government projects.

Is there a case that broadcasters, sponsors etc will become hesitant to renew contracts at current levels, if there's a feeling a main competitor/draw is compromised or relegated? Looking at the current spending levels in the league, there's a reliance on these current broadcast contracts.

We've seen repeated references from PL seniors about the 'product', is there an angle a lengthy battle would undermine this?
 
tommy116 said:
I think the term here "cheating" which so many outside of City use needs to be defined. Is cheating making up rule after rule to block others competing and investing or is cheating trying your best to prosper while others block and attack you at every opportunity.
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I mean for me, cheating is manipulating football's finances over about 30 years to create a self-fulfulling cycle of CL qualification and affording the best players (see also the Premier League compared to the Football League). But it's cheating out in the open. We just had some bullshit post from a bitter Arsenal fan on another thread that got deleted. This is a club that used to finish 4th every year, but when the CL draw came around, they'd find themselves top seeds again and be given a group they were almost guaranteed to qualify from. And then of course get knocked out by the first team that actually qualified on merit rather than coefficient points.

I guess it's similar to corruption. When a big company gives money to a politician in exchange for a favour in the developing world, we call it corruption. In the west, we make it legal and call it lobbying.

FFP is a protectionist racket designed to maintain the status quo, and as such, I've never had any problem with our club getting past it on a technicality. I always cheer people getting around unjust rules without technically breaking them. Hopefully that's what we've done.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
It seems bizarre that the fact we can't appeal (many seem to be claiming) is their strongest hand rather than the actual "case" against us.
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Truly bizarre stance but I suppose understandable. This individual is a tarnished Belgian politician who steered what became a huge public failure for UEFA. Frankly, he’s already demonstrated his own poor judgement and lack of competence. No wonder Ceferin offered City a deal.
 
i♥city said:
It's a bit of an apple and orange situation but take a look at Real Madrid and how they have always been proactive with issues regarding the image of the club and their players. Just recently, Vinicius was racially insulted again and RM went to court to ask for punishments for the club and their fans and to also ask for more protection for Vinicius. They weren't trying to single out the good batch from the bad batch as we tend to when the barbaric dippers assault us for the 9999.99th time, rather they wanted a punishment that would teach every and anyone associated with Mallorca a lesson.

We need to understand that sometimes being quite doesn't necessarily translate to being the bigger man or taking the high road, sometimes silence could give the wrong impression and most of those clueless dumbfucks commenting on that article are either interested in seeing their club reap where they haven't sown by picking up our trophies and players, while the other half are just sheeps that have been easily manipulated by the media.

Either way, we need to start being proactive. As it stands now we aren't even reactive just fucking docile. How long are we going to walk on eggshells? Shit like this comes up and instead of putting up a defiant strong image, we fall back while some bullshit clause about "Pep walking away if the club has been dishonest" is being talked about.
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But none of this stuff they’re constantly talking about makes it real or means it will come to pass, nor are we in Real Madrid’s position. They’re like the rags or dippers, able to bully whoever they want because of their media establishment ties. The other side is that neutrals are beginning to see this campaign as the witch hunt it is. There’s very little respect for the gutter media from your average Joe in this country. If we we’re arguing with everything they said openly or inferred, we’d never stop and it would drag us down to their level. There will come a time when this is over and we get our hit. I just hope football hasn’t morphed into the super league when that time comes.
 
sd33 said:
nick de marco says case could last 4 years
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Can't tell if he just said that in jest (assuming you're referring to his tweet yesterday?), but if it does take anything like that long then there's little point fretting about it now. A lot can happen in that time. Laughable that some clubs apparently want it to be concluded before the end of this season though.
 
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
The fact that he pays money into Arsenal’s bank account every year makes him totally impartial when his club will have insisted on this investigation too?

Flip it round. If it was Arsenal who were charged and he concluded “nothing to see here” that would be a ‘Fair enough moment’?
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You can argue it all day. It will not be an irregularity in terms of the Arbitration Act
 
eastmanc said:
Remember when UEFA charged City last time there was a programme on Irish TV and Niall Quin was discussing City's plight with Graham Souness. Quinn stated that for him al City's success was tainted. Sourness stood up for City and reminded him of the great moments that we have gone through since the takeover and the redevelopment of the area. With friends like Niall Quin we don't need enemies. I know the post is a bit random but I thought I would get it off my chest.
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Niall Quinn is a prick. End of.
 
Centurions said:
I suspect that Yves Leterme may be getting a letter from our lawyers shortly.

"it turned out that money from sponsorship was actually paid by the owner."

"Finally, there were also the ambiguities surrounding contracts. However, thanks to emails and bank statements, we had hard evidence.

If they had 'hard evidence' then why did CAS reverse the decision?

"The problem, however, was that UEFA's ruling could be contested with an arbitration committee, which does not fall under the real judiciary. Those arbitrators are always drawn from 10 to 12 of the same people and can reduce the sentence because they consider it too severe."

Except they threw it all out excepting for the 'failure to co-operate' because they considered the charges to be unsubstantiated. Not because they thought it was too severe.

Pure nonsense and sounds very bitter.
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A man who resigned as Belgium PM due to a scandal
www.spiegel.de

Banking Scandal Brings Down Government: Belgian King to Name New Ministers

Former Prime Minister Yves Leterme has taken himself out of the running to lead any new coalition after the resignation of his entire government. He faces questions over his cabinet's attempt to sell most of Fortis, Belgium's largest bank, at fire-sale prices.
www.spiegel.de www.spiegel.de
 
projectriver said:
Ok, if this is the level of debate, lets leave it there. It is not obtuse emphasising the word "serious" it is the key word - trivial allegations such as Rosen's football allegiance are irrelevant. There is no provable corruption I'd suggest. But yes if there is corruption, we can take it to court. Happy now?
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I know you’re a City fan posting in good faith and you clearly have more knowledge on this subject than the vast majority on here. However, you are the only person I have seen anywhere say we cannot appeal to the courts. Surely a PL panel handing down a punishment, that can see a multi-billion pound business go out of business, would be something City could argue was “serious”?

Either your interpretation is wrong, or you are absolutely the top bollocks on this subject, in which case, I am wondering why you are posting on here and not being paid £80k per day by City to lead our case instead?
 
alexmcity said:
I agree, but there's also the fact that we are getting more and more powerful financially wise. At the current rate, we are going to dwarf United's revenues in 5-10 years. They are shit scared about the prospect of City (and Newcastle) dominating the league (and the CL).

They won't destroy City, though. Not only because we employ brilliant lawyers, but also because we are an essential part of the history of the league. Iconic goals and iconic title races can't and won't be wiped out. IMO, our titles are largely safe. The realistic worst case scenario is going down in the Championship, but it's not likely. IMO, we'll be hit by sanctions which will weaken us for several years and allow the likes of Arsenal, United, Chelsea...to win titles. Given our brilliant legal team, I hope I'm being pessimistic and we are completely victorious.
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And this would expose who the real cheats are. Alternatively is their thinking that the PL will lose and with the perceived fallout it will become more acceptable to their supporters to breakaway and form a European Super League.
 
Rory Bluelow said:
Truly bizarre stance but I suppose understandable. This individual is a tarnished Belgian politician who steered what became a huge public failure for UEFA. Frankly, he’s already demonstrated his own poor judgement and lack of competence. No wonder Ceferin offered City a deal.
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It's almost Scooby Doo isn't it.

UEFA: "We'd have got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky independent arbitrators"
 
Robinho's Subbuteo said:
The fact that he pays money into Arsenal’s bank account every year makes him totally impartial when his club will have insisted on this investigation too?

Flip it round. If it was Arsenal who were charged and he concluded “nothing to see here” that would be a ‘Fair enough moment’?
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mate that is a feeling but we cannot go to court with feelings. if we are wronged as per the rules we can go the court. the rules are pretty tight. the panel has to follow english law and the panel has to follow fairness and its own rules regarding that. if we think they are not then we can go to court.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
It seems bizarre that the fact we can't appeal (many seem to be claiming) is their strongest hand rather than the actual "case" against us.
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Leterme is as dirty as they come. Also sits (or at least sat) on one of the VW Group boards which obviously ties in nicely with Bayern. What he has to say on the matter means fuck all.
 
Father Paul said:
Hairdoo once again is a voice of reason. We need to calm down and view things as objectively as we can.
This morning many folk are shitting themselves because it appears there is no direct appeal route for City to the High Court.
Now while this may be the situation it does not mean that the case or certain aspects of it won't end up there eventually. It most certainly will, if the PL behaves like some cheerleaders in the media who have effectively declared us guilty already.

I will not get involved in the nitty gritty of this debate but one thing that I am certain off after my stay on this planet is that the law and rules are never clear.
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I did have to read TH's post that you quoted twice, the 2nd line I read as City were expecting more than a fine which gave me pause for thought (and a slight rise in heart beat) :(
 
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