PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Iassel said:
Fraud is a slip of the tongue perhaps on my side - if it’s a true scenario where we didn’t report a £750k ‘second salary’ for Mancini to BDO, then 100% if asked BDO would fall back upon the requirement for the club to provide input on known material (by audit threshold) items…

And honestly, as the amount is so completely inconsequential, IF - and we don’t actually know it was ‘hidden’ in City’s statutory accounts numbers - it would be so phenomenally dumb from City’s executives that they would deserve a public GoT style flogging.

And I don’t believe the executive team are that dumb.

*edit* I am only discussing a scenario whereby Mancini had a contract with a City UK entity, paid via Al-Jazeera.

If he had a contract direct with Al-Jazeera, paid by them in full then at worst case it’s a minor item not included in an FFP submission.
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Was Mancini not prior to FFP? TBH the timelines are giving me a headache.
 
theres only one carlito said:
He’s a tit that Robbie. Got himself a you tube channel and now he’s a holy voice on football goings on? Dick head. Don’t know how two sips kept his shit together cause I’ve told him to go back crying on you tube. Tit.
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He is usually sensible but having a good team now top the league he is getting carried away and probably starting to go down the root of being arrogant thinking his team is truly back! You see with the rags they are nowhere to be seen when they are losing not competing now they have top manager and look like they’ve turned a corner they become insufferable arrogant again…
 
Bill Walker said:
Sadly I agree with you. If you're a top player will you seriously want to come to us ? It's like we will now be known forever as the cheats. We are tarnished.

If we win this case I sincerely hope City sue the PL big time over our reputation being badly tarnished, so badly leading to all sorts of problems in the future.
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I’m hoping that players take no notice of all this. It might make us more attractive to agents who think there might be a bit of corruption in it for them. Maybe.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I agree. Why would the lawyers (and Barristers) working for the PL support 115 charges if they thought they couldn't win? Their reputation will be trashed if we lose. If the PL have only got the same quality of evidence as UEFA did then they will be totally humiliated. Very well-paid lawyers are usually very cautious when it comes to their own reputations. I think the situation is a lot more complex than we realise.
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I am not being defeatist btw, for clarity. The club sound confident, as they did the last time, and that is enough. I am just not dismissing the PL's position lightly either, not as some desperate hail mary, or a charade for show, or an elaborate Clarkie. They will be equally confident in their position. Only one can come out on top.
 
117 M34 said:
Been thinking about the likely outcome and my prediction is we will be found guilty of non cooperation - fine of about £10m. Then all the financial ones we will be found not guilty but they will word it in a way that allows the press and other fans to continue to presume we were actually guilty. Something like not quite enough evidence or didn't meet a threshold.
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There is no chance in my opinion of an ‘off-ramp’ of a fine.

I’m 100% confident that for all of Khaldoon’s bravado publicly, in private if the Pl had offered a big fine in return for a final closure of the period to-date, City would’ve snapped their arm off for it.

Equally, the PL really don’t want to be in a position of going publicly for one of their members. It’s horrific PR for an organisation that only cares about its PR and profit maximisation.

The fact that they’ve pursued the strongest charges makes clear they believe they have a very strong hand. Equally I’ve no doubt City also believe they have a rock solid position, and now we have to wait the several years for this to take its course.

A defeat on the main charges fundamentally flaws the ‘loser’ below the water line. If the Pl lose, they’ve brought immeasurable damage to the league from a Pr perspective, and will have no chance to fight off independent regulation. If City lose, they’ll be deemed to have filed incorrect statements for a decade in the PL, and by default UEFA and the punishments won’t be a £1m fine and forced to play Scott Carson for a year.

As said previously, perhaps the likeliest scenario is that the Middle Eastern takeovers of United and Liverpool, which will inevitably lead to pathetically hypocritically opinion changes in their fans to ‘owner investment’ materially changes the landscape and sees the case quietly shelved when United fans and new owners realise they can’t sell Old Trafford naming rights to Qatar for £2bn and spend it all on Mbappe.
 
mayo31 said:
Maybe the reason City were still fined by CAS for not cooperating with UEFA gives you the answer. Perhaps if City had co-operated and provided the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence to UEFA at the outset, no case would have been required and no ones time would have been wasted?

Perhaps City wanted their day in court and still do now
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Except we gave a dossier to UEFA early on. Leterme, iirc, refused to read it.
 
Iassel said:
There is no chance in my opinion of an ‘off-ramp’ of a fine.

I’m 100% confident that for all of Khaldoon’s bravado publicly, in private if the Pl had offered a big fine in return for a final closure of the period to-date, City would’ve snapped their arm off for it.

Equally, the PL really don’t want to be in a position of going publicly for one of their members. It’s horrific PR for an organisation that only cares about its PR and profit maximisation.

The fact that they’ve pursued the strongest charges makes clear they believe they have a very strong hand. Equally I’ve no doubt City also believe they have a rock solid position, and now we have to wait the several years for this to take its course.

A defeat on the main charges fundamentally flaws the ‘loser’ below the water line. If the Pl lose, they’ve brought immeasurable damage to the league from a Pr perspective, and will have no chance to fight off independent regulation. If City lose, they’ll be deemed to have filed incorrect statements for a decade in the PL, and by default UEFA and the punishments won’t be a £1m fine and forced to play Scott Carson for a year.

As said previously, perhaps the likeliest scenario is that the Middle Eastern takeovers of United and Liverpool, which will inevitably lead to pathetically hypocritically opinion changes in their fans to ‘owner investment’ materially changes the landscape and sees the case quietly shelved when United fans and new owners realise they can’t sell Old Trafford naming rights to Qatar for £2bn and spend it all on Mbappe.
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The PL is a non runner though isn't it? By the time this shit-storm gets sorted all the top teams will be eating tapas and rimming Barcelona and Real Madrid. Football might have already died it's calling the priest in to give the last rights that's missing.
 
Centurions said:
They used someone's log in details that they'd retained from their time there, that is not a 'hack' and I couldn't give a rats arse what any 'definition' you intend to bring up says.
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I think we can safely say unauthorised access which is probably worse or comparable to hacking. Liverpool seem to be able to get away with anything they want. After all they have been trying to undermine us for 40 or 50 years.

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halfcenturyup said:
I don't have the strength to wade through all the PL rules for each year, but I am sure @Prestwich_Blue does. :)
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My understanding UEFA FP from 2011, EPL from 2013. Either way if they want to look at Manchinis contract they probably will as I would imagine the years cover the stuff time barred at CAS. As other posters have said it’s a small charge when set against all edged sponsor income shanergins and fraud on a grand scale for 9 years.
 
Centurions said:
Once again for the hard of hearing...

The Liverpool 'hack' was no such thing. Pinto (and most probably many others) hacked pretty much everybody including the people investigating him. As said previously, if someone with the skill or resources wants to, they will hack you.
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My understanding is that ex-City employees were able to access City's "Scout7" system on a number of occasions after they had joined Liverpool. If that is correct it might not be what is considered a classic hacking attack but does show poor practices in the IT systems. Any access should be revoked as soon as it is no longer needed by the individual to perform their job role and some form of multi-factor authentication should also have been implemented with the token handed back or disabled once the individual leaves.

I will concede that no IT security system is unhackable I think it is fair to say that with a best practice security policy implemented, enforced and regularly updated it would have been far harder for Pinto to gain access to City's emails and he may well have moved on to easier targets.
 
RiversideBlue said:
I think City should be vocally questioning the finances of some of the other teams. Chelsea under Abramovich and all that STOLEN Russian oil money stinks, Newcastle and their mew owners, the way the Glazers took over the rags, the behavious of Liverpool fans (and their manager). Come on city, lets sling sone muck back
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Amended for accuracy...
 
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