PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[jimbopm]

Has this been posted yet?

Thought it was really good summary

This is a very good video and well worth a watch. After viewing it i'm increasingly confident we will be fine.

The PL chargers are so serious and damning that to prove them would mean the PL having to clearly demonstrate a coordinated campaign spanning almost a decade by City requiring a multi-lateral deception of many companies, sponsors, accountants auditors, players, coaches and other individuals with a connection to the football club.

That there has been no whistleblower or concrete suggestion of any malpractice other than the discredited Der Spiegel emails leads one to the only common sense conclusion. The accusations are false.

Heck they even tried to get Yaya's agent to stick the boot in and he couldn't think of anything damning to say

 

[Kippax1973]

Why would we not have given it to them yet though?

Why should we, when we feel we have done no wrong,
Why not let the big ship try to sink itself?.
I maybe and probably am way of coarse, it was just a thought

 

[domalino]

Sounds like you think we're guilty

I think there's a fairly good chance we did what was described. It's not impossible they didn't, but if the club genuinely did none of the things they're accused of they could have ended these investigations much sooner and spared themselves a lot of reputational damage and stress. At best they're living in gray areas and blurring the lines between what's allowed and not and gambling they'll get away with it.

But I didn't think UEFA could prove it and I don't know how the PL expect to either.

 

[mayo31]

I can't make sense of this timeline either. It seems to have arisen in people's minds in the mistaken belief that this matter could be contested through the courts and/or that because the investigation took years, the adjudication will as well neither of which is right.

That said, while I haven't read all of the stuff on this thread, I don't recall seeing anyone picking up on what I find a bit strange in the City statement:

“The Club welcomes the review of this matter by an independent Commission, to impartially consider the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence that exists in support of its position".

What and where is this body of irrefutable evidence? Is this something that the PL have and which they don't think is irrefutable so they've proceeded with the charges? Or is it other evidence that City possess but have not provided to the PL but maybe were going to do if the apparently sudden decision to publicise the charges hadn't pre-empted it? If I recall City have a bit of form during the CAS thing where I got the impression they weren't exactly as forthcoming with information as they might have been (maybe because of tactics) and is the same thing happening here?

I also have a recollection (perhaps wrong) that City made mention of "irrefutable evidence" in the CAS case. Not sure if anyone remembers this?

Maybe the reason City were still fined by CAS for not cooperating with UEFA gives you the answer. Perhaps if City had co-operated and provided the comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence to UEFA at the outset, no case would have been required and no ones time would have been wasted?

Perhaps City wanted their day in court and still do now

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

It’s been three days since the PL charges and I’m already finding the whole thing pretty draining. Not spending the next three years (potentially) fretting until a judgement is actually made. Fuck that! It’s no good for my mental health for a start. Just want to get back to enjoying football, or at least trying to, again.

Still think that we’ll ultimately prevail again, as at CAS, and that talk of relegation, losing titles etc is fanciful. Fans of other clubs and certain journalists are getting giddy, and things seem grim at the moment, but the story will drift away in the minds of most over the coming weeks and months.

With no immediate threat to the club’s future, I hope we go absolutely balls out in the coming transfer windows and add more trophies to our cabinet. Demonstrate that we’re not going away anytime soon, despite what they wish.

Agreed Ric. Fingers crossed. And as far as mental health is concerned, it’s knocked mine to a record low this week. Genuinely impacts it.

 

[Superace]

Sadly I agree with you. If you're a top player will you seriously want to come to us ? It's like we will now be known forever as the cheats. We are tarnished.

If we win this case I sincerely hope City sue the PL big time over our reputation being badly tarnished, so badly leading to all sorts of problems in the future.

Nonsense, they won't care less.

 

[theres only one carlito]

I know it seems far fetched over a game of football but it genuinely does affect my mental state . Last few days waking up and the first thing on my mind is this fiasco . I just have a constant numb feeling over it . I just want to enjoy the football on the pitch .
I’ve avoided all social media platforms and have only been on the Bluemoon Forum. I hate the Prem league that much i can’t stomach watching any other games (like last night for instance ) all my effort is just watching the blues . Very sad state of affairs but I’ll never stop watching City or else they really have won and we should never forget that !

I actually watched the rags last night and normally I’d be celebrating any goal against them and Leeds got two! I actually sat there and thought what’s the point in getting giddy. It’s already decided for the most part, like they are just going through the motions. Me getting giddy means diddly because the powers that be already know what they want the outcome to be. I actually sat there numb to it all thinking fuck this I’m not interested.

 

[Blueboy73]

Surely soon as well. I know it's not court, but can you imagine an accused person only finding out last minute or when they turn up for trial specifically what they're alleged to have done wrong? The defence should know exactly what the prosecution are going to present and the angle they will take.

Any trial/process under Civil Law is based on the principles equity and natural justice and there are 5 pillars of natural justice.
The 5 pillars of natural justice basically your rights, are; Notification (of charges), Preparation (time to prepare), Representation (in this case Lord Pannick KC), Presentation (present your case) and Appeal (if unhappy with the outcome).
You would have to notify someone in advance of the charges - ergo you couldn't turn up on the day with fresh charges.

 

[SilverFox2]

Simon Jordan was mega critical of Qatar, when he was out there for the World cup he was rubbing shoulders with the Sheikhs, on his return he appears to have done a road to Damascus. Perhaps there might be something in it for him.

He's earning a living.

Perhaps learning that his opposing views on different continents may individually make him money.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I agree fully.
Our owner was not wanted by the establishment from day 1
.
This attitude will remain as long as he continues his investment.

The PL biased rules are for City particularly to observe to the letter both on and off the field.
Not fair of course but it is their rules so they don't intend it to be fair.
Their message continues to say to Sheikh M we told you not to invest in our league.

Surely we understand this will never change by now.?

If there's no independent regulator it never will.

Fair and equitable regulations imposed from without are put in place for many reasons, but they (usually) have a key component that states that the weak should not be at the mercy of the powerful, that's true in all walks of life. Without effective rules, the logic of power dictates that those with power command and those without obey.

A semi self governing organisation like the PL can circumvent this to an extent, by making regulations from within, like FFP, a set of rules drafted by the powerful in the interests of the powerful, which the weaker members are compelled to sign if they want to stay inside the PL tent.

That's what's happened here,

Any dispassionate observer can see that whether City broke the rules or not, these rules were clearly designed to break City and any club that might aspire to be like City, and are now being used for the very purpose for which they were written. These rules are ridiculous, they actively discourage inward investment and are clearly in place to maintain the supremacy of a greedy cartel of favoured clubs.

Nevertheless the whole pantomime will rumble on, costing many millions of Pounds and whatever the conclusion the real message is, don't mess with the cartel.

 

[manimanc]

Has this been posted yet?

Thought it was really good summary

That was a really good watch.

Maybe these tinpot journalists posting their slanderous shite could learn a lot from this kid about honesty and drawing up quick conclusions.

He spoke really well.

 

[John Wayne]

Sky reporting on the new plans for a European Super League and Spunkbubble Solhekol stating it`s selfish and all based on greed. You 2 faced twat, you`ve been banging on about MCFC being guilty over the past few days of breaches of Premier League rules, the same rules that are also based upon a "selfish and greedy" cartel.






NB - the term Spunkbubble used with L.Gallagher`s permission

His paymasters at Sky are terrified that it will happen and that they won't get a piece of the pie, hence the unbalanced reporting. Sky are perfectly happy, however, to bring along monstrosities like The Hundred in cricket. The future of the longer, traditional forms of the game is threatened by Sky's cheerleading of this competition. They're rank, stinking hypocrites.

 

[schfc6]

If there were any significant changes they'd have had to vote again.

I’m only going off what Quinn claimed and Martin Samual has alluded to.

 

[Kippax1973]

Nonsense, they won't care less.

Exactly m8, look at the Italians and they were found guilty of match fixing.
Never stopped top players going to juve again once they were back

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I can only assume that the Premier League have an informant from within the club, whether it be a former backroom staff member, player etc that can back up their charges against the club.

I cannot believe they can prove any of the charges they have levied against us other than the “Noncooperation” without such a back up.
This might explain why the normal inspection of our accounts each year were passed.

If this scenario exists - then it adds more credence to their charges and City will need to discredit such evidence.

If it were the case, the Premier League would have produced it/them in the four years we have be dragging it out and simply put us to bed in any of the three Premier League titles we have won during that same period.

It's gone this long because we chose to do it this way and this is the Premier League basically passing the baton over after hitting a brick wall.

If people recall, neither us or the Premier League wanted anything of the investigation out until the Daily Mail challenged it in the public interest!

 

[Norbert D]

Brilliant! Sock puppet Barney Ronny asking “Is the premier league eating itself “.
Oh dear, looks like the twatting we got has now emboldened the ESL backers. The Premier League have just ripped a huge hole in the space time continuum, and that’s before First Abu Dhabi Bank get a grip on Liverpools finances.
best buy in the popcorn

 

[domalino]

Can’t see how it lasts 4 months to be honest. As I’ve posted, all stands or falls on charge 1. City‘s board of directors, auditors, accountants and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all would to have have been involved in a massive conspiracy for 10 years. If the accounts are legitimate, then the Mancini and Toure things disappear as does everything else.
It’s only if charge 1 is proven that it’s relevant but, to be fair, if charge 1 is proven then we will deserve the shit storm that will follow.
This was, essentially, the charge that CAS said was cobblers and unbelievable…….

IMO it's exactly the opposite.

It's like getting done for driving an untaxed, uninsured car. You can't insure an untaxed car, so you're always guilty of the second charge if you're guilty of the first.

If the loopholes the club used that resulted in charges 2 and 3 are ruled illegal, then they didn't sumbit its accounts in good faith.

If the loopholes are ruled fine, then the accounts were accurate and in good faith and charge 1 disappears.

 

[Academica]

I know it seems far fetched over a game of football but it genuinely does affect my mental state . Last few days waking up and the first thing on my mind is this fiasco . I just have a constant numb feeling over it . I just want to enjoy the football on the pitch .
I’ve avoided all social media platforms and have only been on the Bluemoon Forum. I hate the Prem league that much i can’t stomach watching any other games (like last night for instance ) all my effort is just watching the blues . Very sad state of affairs but I’ll never stop watching City or else they really have won and we should never forget that !

Just how I feel pal.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Challenged but not disproven. Hence why we are here today talking about another hearing.

Do you not think that things like the related party nature of Etihad, the fair value of the contract, the services performed under the contract and the settlement of the amounts due under the contract, all being settled with UEFA and / or CAS makes it more difficult for the PL to come to a different conclusion? Surely we will present their deliberations in our defence? And it's unlikely they have any new evidence I guess.

You think that will make any difference? It's a bit weird being "tried" for the same thing twice, isn't it?

 

[Bellamy's Caddy]

Liverpool FC. Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Never a truer phrase spoken!

Spitty is a prime example.

When Carragher is giving Richards a tough time on this, Richards needs to turn it round on Carragher and ask him how ashamed he was of Liverpool for what they did with City's scouting database. That happened and is proven. The media brushed it under the carpet, but we don't have to. I like Micah but I doubt he'd rock the boat by doing it, which is a shame as his colleagues are shameless.