PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Xhavenjoe]

For that goal to stand something very dodge was going on. It was 100% bent now who ordered the goal to stand I dont know.
The pl ? Chinese betting ?

I did notice a large yellow balloon floating over the ground at the time

 

[kye1991]

Make of this what you will, but I've just been privy to some startling information that would blow the lid off PGMOL and the power brokers at the Premier League, if it became public. It involves a recording of a conversation between the match day referee and VAR official at a recent away match, a recording that is now in the hands of City.

It's my firm belief that City have compiled a dossier so incendiary, that the Premier League will have no choice but to totally exonerate the Club of any wrongdoing. If they don't, this is going nuclear. Either way, we hold all the cards and this explains why we're so bullish about the eventual outcome. The Premier League are on the back foot, and in my opinion, are currently lobbying the membership as to how best to quietly end the process. I have also been advised that at least one of the "Nasty 9" has had board level discussions with City, distancing themselves from the others in the cabal.

Pep's press conference tells us all we need to know. Watch it again, look at the anger and barely controllable rage in the mans eyes. His attitude wasn't based upon him being reassured about some poxy finances & bullshit charges, it was because he KNOWS exactly what is coming.

Sit back and enjoy the ride Blues.

If that's true we should release it, fuck the lot of em. It's time we played dirty against all these collaborative cunts. A wiser man than me would hold these cards close to the chest. But I'm not a wiser man fuck them, break the fucking internet.

 

[VOOMER]

I know they’re not evidence of wrong doing, but they’re far from stupid gossip either. They are evidence of very specific discussions that took place about the routing of monies through our club, and we are under serious investigation (again) pretty much solely because of them. What burden of proof is the PL hearing likely to operate to? The same as CAS or less? [genuine question]

The email says

Make of this what you will, but I've just been privy to some startling information that would blow the lid off PGMOL and the power brokers at the Premier League, if it became public. It involves a recording of a conversation between the match day referee and VAR official at a recent away match, a recording that is now in the hands of City.

It's my firm belief that City have compiled a dossier so incendiary, that the Premier League will have no choice but to totally exonerate the Club of any wrongdoing. If they don't, this is going nuclear. Either way, we hold all the cards and this explains why we're so bullish about the eventual outcome. The Premier League are on the back foot, and in my opinion, are currently lobbying the membership as to how best to quietly end the process. I have also been advised that at least one of the "Nasty 9" has had board level discussions with City, distancing themselves from the others in the cabal.

Pep's press conference tells us all we need to know. Watch it again, look at the anger and barely controllable rage in the mans eyes. His attitude wasn't based upon him being reassured about some poxy finances & bullshit charges, it was because he KNOWS exactly what is coming.

Sit back and enjoy the ride Blues.

Clarkie?

 

[CADE MCFC 1894]

Make of this what you will, but I've just been privy to some startling information that would blow the lid off PGMOL and the power brokers at the Premier League, if it became public. It involves a recording of a conversation between the match day referee and VAR official at a recent away match, a recording that is now in the hands of City.

It's my firm belief that City have compiled a dossier so incendiary, that the Premier League will have no choice but to totally exonerate the Club of any wrongdoing. If they don't, this is going nuclear. Either way, we hold all the cards and this explains why we're so bullish about the eventual outcome. The Premier League are on the back foot, and in my opinion, are currently lobbying the membership as to how best to quietly end the process. I have also been advised that at least one of the "Nasty 9" has had board level discussions with City, distancing themselves from the others in the cabal.

Pep's press conference tells us all we need to know. Watch it again, look at the anger and barely controllable rage in the mans eyes. His attitude wasn't based upon him being reassured about some poxy finances & bullshit charges, it was because he KNOWS exactly what is coming.

Sit back and enjoy the ride Blues.

Probably united away because bruno goal was offside and they didn't check VAR

 

[NZBlue]

The email says


Clarkie?

100%

 

[citizen_maine]

They believe our down fall might somehow mean their rise that's all they are interested in - they do what they are told based on false promises, it has always been that way.

Again, how does a super league help their rise? They won't be part of it. I can understand them wanting us out of the PL though

 

[Manchester_lalala]

It is hard to tell with Stuart Attwell who is generally regarded as the worst referee in the PL. But it is bizarre there was been so little comeback on that goal. The usual situation is for VAR to spend minutes going back in a goalscoring move to find someone offisde and interfering with play. Rashford was offside. He shielded the ball from a City defender and blocked off our goalkeeper. It all happened in plain sight.

For as poor as we’ve been so far this season, we should be top of the league now if that goal was ruled out.

 

[manimanc]

Why wouldnt he tell us what he knows AND how he knows it

Yeah need more meat on the bones.

 

[Dave El Magico]

For as poor as we’ve been so far this season, we should be top of the league now if that goal was ruled out.

Having said that if VAR had been applied correctly at Arsenal on Saturday, Arsenal would still be top. Perhaps Lee Mason was trying to do us a favour

 

[zandvoort blue]

Might explain why Howard Webb is cracking down on the incompetent showings we’ve seen recently & getting ahead of the narrative

Conspiracy theory here - perhaps these dodgy decisions of late are deliberate, so as to create a smokescreen. They can then say, look it`s not just City that are the victim of poor refereeing/VAR decisions.

 

[Dribble]

Bayern is far from “Dominating“ right now. They have a monstrous lead of 1 point.

But Bayern are still on course for their ELEVENTH TITLE in ELEVEN YEARS!

This is the way the European elite want FFP to operate. Now just imagine if this was City? :-/

 

[give it to gordon]

It is hard to tell with Stuart Attwell who is generally regarded as the worst referee in the PL. But it is bizarre there was been so little comeback on that goal. The usual situation is for VAR to spend minutes going back in a goalscoring move to find someone offisde and interfering with play. Rashford was offside. He shielded the ball from a City defender and blocked off our goalkeeper. It all happened in plain sight.

That's what I mean something was very dodge. The ex pros called it out. But the press/media didnt say much. Atwell was put on championship duty.

It stunk.

 

[terraloon]

The emails are not evidence of wrong doing. They are evidence of a conversation. They may ’point to’ wrong doing but the PL has to prove wrong doing not stupid gossip.
PS I posted this a million times on the CAS case and CAS agreed, counting the emails as not cogent.

CAS also said at 343 that “ The leaded emails comprise of admissible“ evidence.

CAS also state that UEFAs request for a full un redacted run of emails ( which was never supplied) was a reasonable request

 

[terraloon]

If the PL fail to support their charges then the Commission has nothing to decide… I do not for a second think that will happen due to our new found smoking gun, but your comment that it could not happen is not correct… just saying…

The judicial arm of the PL has appointed a commission I just can’t see how the PL would withdraw the charges.

 

[inchy14]

Only the big traditional top flight clubs from say 1975 should be immune from all this FFP nonsense
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That can’t be right. The rags have always been at the top of the tree….

 

[MillionMilesAway]

It is hard to tell with Stuart Attwell who is generally regarded as the worst referee in the PL. But it is bizarre there was been so little comeback on that goal. The usual situation is for VAR to spend minutes going back in a goalscoring move to find someone offisde and interfering with play. Rashford was offside. He shielded the ball from a City defender and blocked off our goalkeeper. It all happened in plain sight.

It seems to me that they hid behind interpreting the word 'impacting' in the laws as a physical blocking.

This excludes any impact on anyone else - no Rashford and Ederson clears it easily. Fernandes wouldn't even try to get there in that situation.
Especially when Rashford shapes to shoot - that fixes Ederson's position as well.
Stone cold impacting on the opponent.

I'm not as convinced that Akanji could have caught up with the ball, but it's possible.

You said earlier that Oliver wouldn't have agreed with the decision - I think that's right. The decision was made very quickly, and I doubt there was time for a recommendation to be made.

 

[kye1991]

Yes it was during early 2020.
@Prestwich_Blue dropped the story on here and it seemed all plausible because it was him.

What was the story? Iv fallen down the rabbit hole now.

 

[Shads]

The judicial arm of the PL has appointed a commission I just can’t see how the PL would withdraw the charges.

I didn’t say withdraw. I said if they fail to produce any evidence to support those charges then there is no case for the commission to answer. It is effectively conceding the case. I also Said I do Not think it will happen…

 

[super_city_si]

It is hard to tell with Stuart Attwell who is generally regarded as the worst referee in the PL. But it is bizarre there was been so little comeback on that goal. The usual situation is for VAR to spend minutes going back in a goalscoring move to find someone offisde and interfering with play. Rashford was offside. He shielded the ball from a City defender and blocked off our goalkeeper. It all happened in plain sight.

he is just fucking useless. Remember, this is a man incredibly still in a job as a referee after awarding a goal in 2008 after the ball missed the net!!

Flashback: Stuart Attwell awards Reading a 'ghost goal' - possibly the worse refereeing decision of all time - Dispensable Soccer

Whilst Mike Dean will be desperate to keep a low profile ahead of this week’s Premier League fixtures in the wake of Costa-gate, in reality he can thank his lucky stars his refereeing ineptitude doesn’t even compare to that of Stuart Attwell’s during a Championship fixture in 2008 at Watford...

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[Shads]

I'm 50 pages behind so someone might have answered this.

If not:

The relationship between City and the PL is essentially contractual. The regulations that govern our participation within that league are the terms of the contract. One of those terms is that in the event of an alleged breach of the rules the matter is referred to an independent panel, from which an appeal lies to a further panel.

We are said to be in breach of those terms. The fact that the terms themselves do not contain a limitation clause makes no difference, because the Limitation Act says that if you are alleging a breach of contract you must do it within six years.

So, there is a limitation period, and it is six years.

However.

The limitation act also says that if you are bringing a claim based on the fraud of the other party the limitation period does not start to run until you had knowledge of the fraud. So the six year period begins not with the date of the breaches, but the date those breaches became known to the PL - IF they were breaches brought about by fraud.

This means that the allegation of fraud is relevant in two ways. First, given that our accounts have been passed by an auditor, the PL have to allege fraud in order to make their case stick. Secondly, if they can't establish fraud, the limitation act means anything before February 2017 is time-barred.

They have charged us with something extremely serious. The consequences for City if the case succeeds are potentially devastating. The consequences for the PL if the charges fail is also potentially devastating.

This brings my earlier point back to the forefront. Companies in the UK only need to keep files for 6 years and can start destroying documents after that time. The evidential documentation that the PL seek may well no longer exist outside of public records. They chose to wait so long to bring these charges. Even by 2018 when the investigation began documents surrounding 2012 were being routinely and appropriately destroyed. Some of these charges go back to 2009…