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blueparrot said:
Proves her point really, personal predjudice started getting in the way of proper debate on issues.
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Proves what point?

Sturgeon is a poisonous, horrible politician. Have a good look into her past. She hasn't taken Scotland forward. When she is banging on about independence all she is doing is deflecting from the social issues affecting Scotland. She has been an abject failure.
 
malg said:
Proves what point?

Sturgeon is a poisonous, horrible politician. Have a good look into her past. She hasn't taken Scotland forward. When she is banging on about independence all she is doing is deflecting from the social issues affecting Scotland. She has been an abject failure.
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Just out of interest, do you live in Scotland and experience the social issues you mention?
 
malg said:
Proves what point?

Sturgeon is a poisonous, horrible politician. Have a good look into her past. She hasn't taken Scotland forward. When she is banging on about independence all she is doing is deflecting from the social issues affecting Scotland. She has been an abject failure.
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Poisonous and horrible is an Express headline with zero thought beyond that, and is a matter of opinion of position.
But she was far less of both than her predecessor, and potentially the follower, and even rival party supporters here regularly acknowledge that.

She absolutely has taken Scotland forward. In her first term, leaps and bounds. Both socially and economically. Then the politics of the Tory government, the damn ignorance of Brexit voters, and a terrible global pandemic then took Scotland backwards. I don't think anyone else would have navigated that storm better myself.

But I do think it was time for a change, and now all that matters is who is next. This could be one of those delicate careful what you wish for situations.
 
Coatigan said:
Poisonous and horrible is an Express headline with zero thought beyond that, and is a matter of opinion of position.
But she was far less of both than her predecessor, and potentially the follower, and even rival party supporters here regularly acknowledge that.

She absolutely has taken Scotland forward. In her first term, leaps and bounds. Both socially and economically. Then the politics of the Tory government, the damn ignorance of Brexit voters, and a terrible global pandemic then took Scotland backwards. I don't think anyone else would have navigated that storm better myself.

But I do think it was time for a change, and now all that matters is who is next. This could be one of those delicate careful what you wish for situations.
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Its not clear who will take it forward. I suspect it will be one of the Senior brigade. My preference would be for a youngster though. Kate Forbes is smart and principled.
 
El_george said:
How can you type positively about someone who wants to break Scotland away from England - it is a crazy idea. Might have worked in the 1970s - just after oil was discovered in the North Sea, but now? not so much. It amuses me to the max that she has fallen on the alter of culture-wars/woke nonsense, I hope the worm has turned on this one.

And as regards your other point, whatever happened to Ruth Davisdson? She was a person of real talent - will she ever come back?
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Scotlands independence will take it out of the United Kingdom. Its not part of England to break away from.

To answer about the hypocrite Davidson, after fighting hard to keep Scotland part of the UK by promising it was the best way for it to stay in the EU she took a career break and then fucked off to that great democratic institution, The House of Lords. She shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Sturgeon as a talented politician.
 
El_george said:
How can you type positively about someone who wants to break Scotland away from England - it is a crazy idea. Might have worked in the 1970s - just after oil was discovered in the North Sea, but now? not so much. It amuses me to the max that she has fallen on the alter of culture-wars/woke nonsense, I hope the worm has turned on this one.

And as regards your other point, whatever happened to Ruth Davisdson? She was a person of real talent - will she ever come back?
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Easy. I was typing positively about her personal qualities, not her policies. I made that very clear.

Agree with you about Ruth Davidson.
 
malg said:
Proves what point?

Sturgeon is a poisonous, horrible politician. Have a good look into her past. She hasn't taken Scotland forward. When she is banging on about independence all she is doing is deflecting from the social issues affecting Scotland. She has been an abject failure.
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Do you live in Scotland ? Doesn't sound like it because she's made Scotland a better place to live than the UK government has made the rest of the UK. perfect ,no, but better. Either that or Scottish voters are stupid to keep electing her by big margins.
 
blueparrot said:
Do you live in Scotland ? Doesn't sound like it because she's made Scotland a better place to live than the UK government has made the rest of the UK. perfect ,no, but better. Either that or Scottish voters are stupid to keep electing her by big margins.
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As an Englishman who has lived and worked in Scotland for the last 11 years I will agree that we have many aspects of daily life up here that are appealing, in many ways better and down to SNP devolved policy. To suggest all is rosy in the garden though is too much of a stretch and simply not true, nor is it true to claim life here is better than everywhere else in the UK because again, it’s not.

Social, economic and health inequalities are still very much a thing up here and whilst I will applaud SNP success where it is due, I will also say those issues that we still have are a SNP failure.
 
blueinsa said:
As an Englishman who has lived and worked in Scotland for the last 11 years I will agree that we have many aspects of daily life up here that are appealing, in many ways better and down to SNP devolved policy. To suggest all is rosy in the garden though is too much of a stretch and simply not true, nor is it true to claim life here is better than everywhere else in the UK because again, it’s not.

Social, economic and health inequalities are still very much a thing up here and whilst I will applaud SNP success where it is due, I will also say those issues that we still have are a SNP failure.
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Nobody said everything is rosy. What I said was the last 10 years Scottish government has been far superior to the last 10 years of Westminster government, and certainly hasn't been 'an abject failure' as the post I replied to said.
 
blueinsa said:
As an Englishman who has lived and worked in Scotland for the last 11 years I will agree that we have many aspects of daily life up here that are appealing, in many ways better and down to SNP devolved policy. To suggest all is rosy in the garden though is too much of a stretch and simply not true, nor is it true to claim life here is better than everywhere else in the UK because again, it’s not.

Social, economic and health inequalities are still very much a thing up here and whilst I will applaud SNP success where it is due, I will also say those issues that we still have are a SNP failure.
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You are not wrong, but at least those things are very much on the agenda, if nothing else. And quite often at the forefront (after the obvious), unlike at Westminster where are barely a token afterthought. That goes for the Scottish government as a whole as much as it does for the snp.
 


I’m not Scottish but I watched Neil Oliver with his interesting coast programme he’s not keen on Nicola he thinks she’s done a lot of damage to Scotland.
I don’t know if he is speaking the truth
 
Brewster's millions said:
She was given an incredibly easy ride by the press as well.

The police investigation, the dodgy loan where she knowingly broke the rules and misled, the terrible record in government and the unanswered questions on how they would reduce the deficit ahead of independence - all matters which required proper interrogation, which has never been forthcoming.
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Yeah true…..
But still better than a Tory government.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
She made mistakes for sure but easily the most capable politician the UK has thrown up in the last 10 years. Very sad to see her go. Independence certainly feels further away.
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I don’t think you’ll ever grasp it Saddleworth. And even at that, you’ll still be out of the UK long before NI ever will.
 
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