Shamima Begum

blueinsa said:
They haven’t and from what I have read as a layman here, any charges brought would be difficult to prove and chances of her being found not guilty pretty good.

She knows this, her advisors know this and that’s why they now want home to face justice.

We all know she is guilty though. She has admitted it in camera and even described terror attacks as being reasonable in her mind and that the life she left for under ISIS was what she wanted as she fully supported their aims.

Denying her citizenship isn’t perfect but it’s the best way to protect the British public from someone who is a credible danger imo.
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So we're not letting her back because she's not guilty of anything so we can't send her to prison? Sounds reasonable.
We have literally hundreds of returned IS fighters in the country yet we make an example of this one?
I'm the first to say there may be a credible threat posed by aspects of the (non) case that only the security services and home sec know, but personally I think she's just easy fodder to sacrifice to the far right islamophobes. I'm sure if we can cope with Martin McGuiness and the most dangerous IRA terrorists being on the streets for decades we can handle this.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
So we're not letting her back because she's not guilty of anything so we can't send her to prison? Sounds reasonable.
We have literally hundreds of returned IS fighters in the country yet we make an example of this one?
I'm the first to say there may be a credible threat posed by aspects of the (non) case that only the security services and home sec know, but personally I think she's just easy fodder to sacrifice to the far right islamophobes. I'm sure if we can cope with Martin McGuiness and the most dangerous IRA terrorists being on the streets for decades we can handle this.
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I hear the argument mate, I’m just completely unsympathetic to it in her case and I would feel the same and wish we had applied this to all who went out to live and fight under ISIS rule.

Government have took a stance and so far our courts have backed it and that’s good enough for me.
 
blueinsa said:
I hear the argument mate, I’m just completely unsympathetic to it in her case and I would feel the same and wish we had applied this to all who went out to live and fight under ISIS rule.

Government have took a stance and so far our courts have backed it and that’s good enough for me.
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All the courts have done is agreed that UK law as it stands doesn’t stop the government doing what they want. They are not in a position to change a law that clearly contravenes international law because international law is not under their jurisdiction, and they do not have the power to make or change laws - only to interpret them. That’s not the same as the courts backing the government’s stance. In fact they thought it was wrong but not illegal under UK law.
 
The notion that she presents a more real and credible danger to this country than the numerous other ISIS defectors that have been allowed to return to the UK is clearly absurd. She is evidently not very bright, but obviously should face justice over here, as someone born in this country. To try and rid ourselves of that responsibility is shameful and pathetic. Even fucking Jacob Rees-Mogg can see that.
 
Ric said:
The notion that she presents a more real and credible danger to this country than the numerous other ISIS defectors that have been allowed to return to the UK is clearly absurd. She is evidently not very bright, but obviously should face justice over here, as someone born in this country. To try and rid ourselves of that responsibility is shameful and pathetic. Even fucking Jacob Rees-Mogg can see that.
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Seems there’s a few on here who can’t understand this very straightforward point. Either that or they’ve convinced themselves that she’s a cross between Professor Moriarty, Harold Shipman and Osama Bin Laden so it’s worth making our country look stupid and lose goodwill with other friendly countries just to keep her out.
 
west didsblue said:
Seems there’s a few on here who can’t understand this very straightforward point. Either that or they’ve convinced themselves that she’s a cross between Professor Moriarty, Harold Shipman and Osama Bin Laden so it’s worth making our country look stupid and lose goodwill with other friendly countries just to keep her out.
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I just think they’re so consumed by their hatred of her, specifically, that any logic or reason seems to go out of the window.
 
Ric said:
The notion that she presents a more real and credible danger to this country than the numerous other ISIS defectors that have been allowed to return to the UK is clearly absurd. She is evidently not very bright, but obviously should face justice over here, as someone born in this country. To try and rid ourselves of that responsibility is shameful and pathetic. Even fucking Jacob Rees-Mogg can see that.
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It’s also really fucking small time. To think, we used to be a great world power, and now we have a government trying to palm off its responsibilities to placate a number of its citizens who are scared of a moronic female who has all the intelligence and menace of a rabbit.

The fucking embarrassing state of this country.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It’s also really fucking small time. To think, we used to be a great world power, and now we have a government trying to palm off its responsibilities to placate a number of its citizens who are scared of a moronic female who has all the intelligence and menace of a rabbit.

The fucking embarrassing state of this country.
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Nail on the head. We have literally turned into little Britain.
 
I believe if some intelligent bods (on here) adopted a slightly less magisterial tone, they might have more success persuading the 'unenlightened'... but (I'm afraid) they just can't help making themselves sound like supercilious cunts and thus completely misreading the room... just a thought
 
Ric said:
I just think they’re so consumed by their hatred of her, specifically, that any logic or reason seems to go out of the window.
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I think some of The hate towards her is bordering on the unhinged. Utterly depressing and vile.
Personally I would rather live on a street full of Shamimas than a street full of her haters. I’d honestly feel safer and more at home.
 
Kinkybyname said:
I believe if some intelligent bods (on here) adopted a slightly less magisterial tone, they might have more success persuading the 'unenlightened'... but (I'm afraid) they just can't help making themselves sound like supercilious cunts and thus completely misreading the room... just a thought
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We are now all scared little boys now apparently.

No other reasons as to why she shouldn’t be allowed back are to be listened too or entertained.

Run with the scared little boys line and as you say, sound oh so superior about it all.

Meanwhile back in the real world, she is living her days out in a fucking tent!
 
blueinsa said:
We are now all scared little boys now apparently.

No other reasons as to why she shouldn’t be allowed back are to be listened too or entertained.

Run with the scared little boys line and as you say, sound oh so superior about it all.

Meanwhile back in the real world, she is living her days out in a fucking tent!
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People pay good money for glamping
 
Kinkybyname said:
I believe if some intelligent bods (on here) adopted a slightly less magisterial tone, they might have more success persuading the 'unenlightened'... but (I'm afraid) they just can't help making themselves sound like supercilious cunts and thus completely misreading the room... just a thought
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I doubt it, there’s a lot of cross purposes in this particular debate. On other topics you might have a point, although now we’re at the point of actual actions and damage being done with a few of those, I do get why some might find it harder to take a conciliatory approach.

I don’t remember ever seeing anyone actually changing their opinion on something due to a debate on a forum though. There’s a separate discussion topic to be had just on that tbh!
 
west didsblue said:
Seems there’s a few on here who can’t understand this very straightforward point. Either that or they’ve convinced themselves that she’s a cross between Professor Moriarty, Harold Shipman and Osama Bin Laden so it’s worth making our country look stupid and lose goodwill with other friendly countries just to keep her out.
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It seems you haven't a clue what others think or pretend not to.

And goodwill with other countries? Pmsl.
 
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