The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

mattcity5 said:
It minimises the tragedy of it "in your eyes". To mine, it highlights the tragedy of it and serves to remind us of what we need to avoid.

Lineker's comparison wasn't to the Holocaust but to what led to it. You obviously know what went on but there are a hell of a lot of people out there who don't realise or know how things led to it. Shining a light on it should hopefully educate some.
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There’s obviously a value judgement to make for each case. To me, in this instance, the comparison Lineker is making is very strained and not appropriate. Were the Nazis trying to stop people from outside illegally entering their country? Did they voice concerns for the dangers people were in and by a desire to uphold the law? I don’t think so and Lineker’s comparison is wrong and counterproductive. That won’t be the case in every instance but I believe it is in this one.
 
Chris B said:
There is a clear implication because we have only one history. That is the history in which the 1930s Nazi regime lead to WW2 and the holocaust. Minimising the evils of that regime, even in the 1930s, by comparing it to something trivial is to deny the terrible reality of history.
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You have used that period of time to justify your accusations that Liverpool and Klopp are cheating! How can you give this faux concern and outrage about Lineker trivialising.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
This is you and your lunacy

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Klopp, the Nazis and Pervitin.

Pervitin is a drug developed in Germany in the 1930s. It was originally intended as a recreational drug to help the famously dour Germans relax. It was soon repurposed for military use once its qualities were better understood.

As a German it is likely Jugen Klopp would be familiar with the history and properties of Pervitin. Indeed, it is believed several of his ancestral relatives were enthusiastic members of either the SS or Hitler youth..... " blah blah lfc cheat off the back of the nazis

I'm sick of crackpots getting a voice. But hey that's the world we live in, we all get free speech don't we.
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You missed the key point.
Chris B said:
Klopp’s reign over Dortmund had uncanny parallels with the Nazi conquest of Europe.
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Just bizarre.
The hypocrisy is incredible.
 
They don’t have anywhere to go. None of their contracted pundits will touch them until they make a complete U-turn on this

If they never back down, they’ll simply lose their last foothold on football coverage to Sky & BT. Maybe they wouldn’t mind that anyway, given they’ve stopped bothering to secure full games long ago
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
You have used that period of time to justify your accusations that Liverpool and Klopp are cheating! How can you give this faux concern and outrage about Lineker trivialising.
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my post on the Liverpool thread was a meta-satire of the paranoia of supporters. My concern over Linekers comment, not outrage as I’m not suggesting his comments are especially heinous, but they are crass and and offensive, is genuine.
 
paska said:
What’s your job? Unless it’s posting on bluemoon you’re not following your own advice.

People are not just their day jobs. He *can* say whatever he likes on social media, that’s exactly what social media is for!

The only things barred from social media are attacks on protected characteristics. As of yet, being a govt minister hasn’t been declared one.
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To answer your first question I am self employed, this place is the only forum/social media that I would dare post, as I think its fairly safe to air your views with others who have a common interest (supporting City).

No one gives a shit what I think or write on here apart from the odd "triggered" member.

Gary lineker is a figurehead of the bbc and has to be careful of what he says publicly as it could be seen as the view of his employers, totally different situation.

If I posted on here that I thought we were shit yesterday no one would care, but if Pep posted the same on facebook/or twitter or whatever, well, see the difference.

I am all for free speech myself and dont necessarily agree with whats happening, but surely he has no need to court controversy in his priveleged position, and I dont like the bbc sport section anyway hence my comments on it, I do help fund it though.

If there is a political side to all this I am not interested in it, just the common sense(or lack of it) from lineker.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
Seen quite a few of the older, miserable sort across the internet pretending the show was better last night.

Why the fuck would anyone wait around until 22:30 to watch some brief highlights? They're on YouTube about 15 mins after full time.

In fact, why are you staying up until then to watch MOTD any other week if you find the presenters so insufferable?
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In fairness, there's lots of people who don't really know what YouTube actually is never mind trying to access it.
 
I think the tories are doing a great job of destroying it. We'll lose our global voice like we lost our global standing with Brexit.

Small minded Britain deserves small minded TV. Gb news is the future!

I want it to go back to what it was respected, world leader, free from political influence.
 
Chris B said:
There’s obviously a value judgement to make for each case. To me, in this instance, the comparison Lineker is making is very strained and not appropriate. Were the Nazis trying to stop people from outside illegally entering their country? Did they voice concerns for the dangers people were in and by a desire to uphold the law? I don’t think so and Lineker’s comparison is wrong and counterproductive. That won’t be the case in every instance but I believe it is in this one.
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That's fair, but we need to remember that it may be different groups persecuted now, or in future, than it was previously.

While our government speaks strongly against migrants, many of who may look middle-eastern, or Eastern European, there are a lot of people legitimately in this country who share those perceived characteristics.

The language used creates division within our society and isn't just about a handful of people in boats. It dehumanises and changes how we treat each other.
 
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Chris B said:
There’s obviously a value judgement to make for each case. To me, in this instance, the comparison Lineker is making is very strained and not appropriate. Were the Nazis trying to stop people from outside illegally entering their country? Did they voice concerns for the dangers people were in and by a desire to uphold the law? I don’t think so and Lineker’s comparison is wrong and counterproductive. That won’t be the case in every instance but I believe it is in this one.
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Oh, but you realise the government are just trying to appeal to the racists in the country with 'stop the boats', whilst mentioning 'we need to stop the dangers of people trafficking' is just a risible and seethrough attempt to legitimise their aims?
 
give it to gordon said:
hopefully the tv licence wll be scrap and it stands on its own two feet
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Stop paying the license fee, and the whole thing comes down like a pack of cards! The BBC are shitting themselves on this one…
Just been announced that MOTD2 will be scaled back tonight, it’s a complete shitshow with no winners…
 
Chris B said:
He minimised it by comparing the description of some limited measures to stop illegal migration into a country with one of the worst crimes in human history. The two aren’t comparable and to imply they are equivalent is to minimise one and exaggerate the other.

Yes, he said the language in the 1930s, not the actual holocaust, but the implication was clear. After all, the nazis aren’t regarded as one of the most evil regimes in history because of their language in the early part of their reign. It was clear the line of argument he was making was to equate the current actions of the government with those of Nazi germany. That is an absolutely risible comparison that is offensive and beyond contempt.
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“Auschwitz was at the end of a long process. We must remember that it did not start from gas chambers.

This hatred gradually developed from ideas, words, stereotypes & prejudice through legal exclusion, dehumanization & escalating violence.”
 
The perfect fumble said:
If your work dries up, the phone don't ring, you're hounded out of your job, your lectures cancelled, you and your supporters charged with made up non-crimes, your books not stocked or displayed, you're slandered constantly on social media, your peers turn against you, venues refuse to take your bookings and your message is constantly misrepresented and labelled hate, then you're right, it's just criticism.
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JK Rowlings work hasnt dried up. Her books are wideley still sold, her films still available with their own channel on sky, her works now being made into a series, a game, a mini theme park in London. She has her podcast too.

But sure she's cancelled. We're not going to agree.
 
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