Ref Watch

Plain Speaking said:
I would be interested to see it again from multiple angles, but I am just trying to be fair at that one incident, as I saw it last night, Kev seemed to kick the planted foot of Partey but I would like to see it again if you disagree, perhaps I missed something?
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Yes watch it again and I guarantee you will change your mind.
 
Plain Speaking said:
I would be interested to see it again from multiple angles, but I am just trying to be fair at that one incident, as I saw it last night, Kev seemed to kick the planted foot of Partey but I would like to see it again if you disagree, perhaps I missed something?
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The view from behind is most damning to me - he just takes KDB out
 
Plain Speaking said:
I would be interested to see it again from multiple angles, but I am just trying to be fair at that one incident, as I saw it last night, Kev seemed to kick the planted foot of Partey but I would like to see it again if you disagree, perhaps I missed something?
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Just different views mate, I thought Kev’s foot moved towards the ball, Partey as the defender missed the ball and kicked Kev’s foot, that’s certainly how I saw it
 
Just woke up, smiling ear-to-ear realising again that we absolutely demolished those Arse twats…

But then the fury over that blatantly corrupt performance from Oliver (specifically before we went up 2-0) came flooding back.

The club needs to call it out before our next match, otherwise I can see it happening again.

The league are desperate to keep Arsenal in this to the final day and will likely continue to use the referees to try to influence results.
 
Plain Speaking said:
I thought Oliver had a terrible game last night, how Partey didn't get a second yellow when he rugby tackled Haaland was shocking. However I don't think a penalty was clear, Partey planted his foot next to the ball and Kev kicked him as he was trying to shoot. There were many instances where Oliver gave Arsenal favouritism last night, and it might be unpopular, but I can see why he didn't award a penalty.
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Yeah, I agree that was his reasoning - just not sure he was right. He's basically shielding the ball - but doing that you need to be in playing distance of it. I'm not totally sure he was. If it's out of reach it's a pen. If not, yeah Kev basically kicked him.

Edit - watching that vid now he is in playing distance, I can understand from the side view why Oliver would think that it wasn't a pen. However the view from behind looks like he's gone flying past the ball to take Kev out. This is one where VAR sits on the fence, but ideally they should send the ref to have a look so he can see the other angle and make a genuine decision either way with that knowledge.

But he basically did a typical Michael Oliver and took the decision that would impact the game the least considering it was very early in the match. It's what he always does early on.
 
Ajm1985 said:
Definitely a pen from Partey on KDB and classic lack of yellows for opposition players.

I do think that Dias was lucky to not be sent off - it was foolish, gave the officials opportunity to produce a red as retaliation is always viewed as worse etc - but I can see why it was a yellow. White kicked him on the ground and looks like he raked his ankle, which for some reason wasn't an issue.

However, Clattenburg thinks it was just a yellow and he doesn't know shit

www.sportbible.com

The reason why Ruben Dias escaped red card for kicking out at Ben White

Ruben Dias only received a yellow card for kicking out at Ben White during Manchester City’s heavyweight clash with Arsenal.
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One of those times that you just don't need to give the ref an excuse to produce a card. Silly of Dias to retaliate.
 
Its probably been said many times, but the ref last night was shocking. I dont think it was an agenda on his part just pure incompetence. Name any other profession where you can perform so badly and face no form of retribution (warning, sacking, performance review etc).
That aside absolutely fantastic game to watch.
 
mattcity5 said:
Yeah, I agree that was his reasoning - just not sure he was right. He's basically shielding the ball - but doing that you need to be in playing distance of it. I'm not totally sure he was. If it's out of reach it's a pen. If not, yeah Kev basically kicked him.

So he basically did a typical Michael Oliver and took the decision that would impact the game the least considering it was very early in the match.
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It is a penalty all day long and twice on Sundays.

And the way I can be sure of this is ask yourself: if had been in midfield and in reverse, with Partey breaking in to the open in the midfield, and Kev just running across Partey’s stride like that, no intention to play the ball, would it have been a foul and a yellow card?

Would it fuck.

Either Oliver was under orders to try to keep it a match early on or he was acting on his own to “manage the game”.

Either way, he wasn’t applying the laws of the game fairly, favouring one team over another, and that is corruption.
 
Oliver was awful last night as he usually is against us. There were two occasions an Arsenal player took one of ours out off the ball and surely that has to be a red? Also him and Cootes on var didn't give a clear penalty on Kev, I'm not sure how others are saying it wasn't a penalty it looked pretty clear to me. I was actually amazed they gave the John Stones goal.
As for refs I think the standards are awful and that's var as well. When they say Atwell and Oliver are the best you know you're fucked.
 
SebastianBlue said:
It is a penalty all day long and twice on Sundays.

And the way I can be sure of this is ask yourself: if had been in midfield and in reverse, with Partey breaking in to the open in the midfield, and Kev just running across Partey’s stride like that, no intention to play the ball, would it have been a foul and a yellow card?

Would it fuck.

Either Oliver was under orders to try to keep it a match early on or he was acting on his own to “manage the game”.

Either way, he wasn’t applying the laws of the game fairly, favouring one team over another, and that is corruption.
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He's a coward but it's got him right to the top as a ref. Give decisions, cards etc early on and you've "spoilt the game". Early decisions which cause goals get replayed and remembered. Don't give them and then enough happens afterwards so that everyone forgets or ignores what went on before.

The worst decision for me was failing to give a second yellow to Partey when he climbed all over Haaland and rugby tackled him. Absolute cowardly incompetence.
 
paulchapo said:
Oliver was awful last night as he usually is against us. There were two occasions an Arsenal player took one of ours out off the ball and surely that has to be a red? Also him and Cootes on var didn't give a clear penalty on Kev, I'm not sure how others are saying it wasn't a penalty it looked pretty clear to me. I was actually amazed they gave the John Stones goal.
As for refs I think the standards are awful and that's var as well. When they say Atwell and Oliver are the best you know you're fucked.
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Oliver's a coward but half decent.

Attwell's brave and will give decisions but is either incompetent or corrupt, I'm unsure which.
 
Tbh based on what I saw from the ref last night I think they're targeting the first 20 minutes of City games. We're not getting anything last night in that period, really odd calls, at our fkin ground too!

But they gave a free kick in the first half dying minutes and VAR call went our way (at a crucial time).

But that first twenty minutes didn't feel normal from the ref.
 
GOULDYBOBS said:
3:1 yellow cards dealt out in a game with rugby tackles, choke holds and sly legs left in.

Anything happen to that little TOWIE prick at the end going for Phil?
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Yeah, he was humiliated in the most watched match of the season. ;-)
 
Plain Speaking said:
I thought Oliver had a terrible game last night, how Partey didn't get a second yellow when he rugby tackled Haaland was shocking. However I don't think a penalty was clear, Partey planted his foot next to the ball and Kev kicked him as he was trying to shoot. There were many instances where Oliver gave Arsenal favouritism last night, and it might be unpopular, but I can see why he didn't award a penalty.
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what you’ve just described is Partey tripping KDB. Pen all day.
 
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