How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

bluethrunthru said:
best go for a pint whilst you still can

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Should have been obvious to anyone that 'native' labour would not be interested in hospitality (and farming) sector pay and conditions. Our Eastern European friends were the engine of our economy. In terms of cheap labour shortage brexit is probably the biggest act of self harm since the abolition of slavery.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Should have been obvious to anyone that 'native' labour would not be interested in hospitality (and farming) sector pay and conditions. Our Eastern European friends were the engine of our economy. In terms of cheap labour shortage brexit is probably the biggest act of self harm since the abolition of slavery.
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Fishing really isn’t your thing however hard you try.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I can say with some authority that a large number of these closures are down to labour shortages caused directly by Brexit.
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Who doesn't want to work till after midnight at weekends for minimum wage. Anyhoo the last thing anyone needs at the moment is £10 for 2 drinks in a local. I did 70 notes last week and me and the Mrs only popped out for the game.

The pub and retail industries are in big trouble and have been for a while. Will this govt or the next do anything to save it? Unlikely.
 
hilts said:
Who doesn't want to work till after midnight at weekends for minimum wage. Anyhoo the last thing anyone needs at the moment is £10 for 2 drinks in a local. I did 70 notes last week and me and the Mrs only popped out for the game.

The pub and retail industries are in big trouble and have been for a while. Will this govt or the next do anything to save it? Unlikely.
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Not sure £10 for two drinks is quite ‘the last thing anyone needs’.

There is far more to the hospitality sector than pubs and to conflate the inevitable decline in high street retail with that of the sector is equally misconceived. They are discrete from each other with different forces at work in relation to each.

The biggest immediate problem within the sector is staffing, not declining demand. Sales are down in many venues because they simply cannot get the staff to physically take the money. Venues have closed for the simple reason they cannot get the staff to function as a business, and in many instances that is because of Brexit and the pool of Labour that has left the country as a consequence.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Not sure £10 for two drinks is quite ‘the last thing anyone needs’.

There is far more to the hospitality sector than pubs and to conflate the inevitable decline in high street retail with that of the sector is equally misconceived. They are discrete from each other with different forces at work in relation to each.

The biggest immediate problem within the sector is staffing, not declining demand. Sales are down in many venues because they simply cannot get the staff to physically take the money. Venues have closed for the simple reason they cannot get the staff to function as a business, and in many instances that is because of Brexit and the pool of Labour that has left the country as a consequence.
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There always a whiff of Basil Fawlty about Brexit.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Not sure £10 for two drinks is quite ‘the last thing anyone needs’.

There is far more to the hospitality sector than pubs and to conflate the inevitable decline in high street retail with that of the sector is equally misconceived. They are discrete from each other with different forces at work in relation to each.

The biggest immediate problem within the sector is staffing, not declining demand. Sales are down in many venues because they simply cannot get the staff to physically take the money. Venues have closed for the simple reason they cannot get the staff to function as a business, and in many instances that is because of Brexit and the pool of Labour that has left the country as a consequence.
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Hospitality is notoriously low paid. I gave one example in pubs and then said and retail. Not sure how you came to the conclusion I have somehow lumped every sector into the woes of the Red Lion and its customers tbh.

Anyhow we all walk into pubs hotels shops and many other establishments expecting to see an employee who is willing to do a job at a rate of pay and time of day many of us wouldn't entertain.
 
hilts said:
Hospitality is notoriously low paid. I gave one example in pubs and then said and retail. Not sure how you came to the conclusion I have somehow lumped every sector into the woes of the Red Lion and its customers tbh.

Anyhow we all walk into pubs hotels shops and many other establishments expecting to see an employee who is willing to do a job at a rate of pay and time of day many of us wouldn't entertain.
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and pre-Brexit that was easily done as long as you didn't mind your barman being called Klaus or your waitress Caterina.

Now one of the reasons they were here was the strength of the £ as well as the availability of work. Immediately after Brexit the £ was devalued by @20% - so those continental workers effectively faced a pay cut. Then - and we can be real about this - Covid-19 hit. Understandably almost all those workers wanted to go home whilst they could - for a while none of us knew what we faced long term. Whilst they were away and their jobs were shut down anyway ( and lets face it they would have not got furlough ) Patel rammed through legislation that would prevent them returning unless they earned far more than was on offer and had savings/reserves they could not muster. So they did not return.

Meanwhile post Covid there was a need to recover the economy - places were opening up and needed people but we had set things up so foreigners could not return to do even skilled jobs like brick laying. Plenty of folk like me revised their future and prospects and retired early. This left over a million more vacancies than there were people to do the work. Obviously therefore the economy contracted. The Govt view was rather than try and get people back from the EU they want people like me to return to work. You are correct the work poorly paid so it ain't going to attract people like me to come back to work for less than my pension gives me anyway.

So as a direct result of Brexit we are short of bodies and ham stringing our economy basically to satisfy a few R/W folk who don't like the idea of people talking Romanian on the bus near them.

Convince yourself of what you like bit the world is more challenging than ever and the self imposition of restrictions on ourselves to satisfy the whims of some ill informed people most of whom now see it as a mistake as shown in opinion polls cannot be denied
 
bluethrunthru said:
and pre-Brexit that was easily done as long as you didn't mind your barman being called Klaus or your waitress Caterina.

Now one of the reasons they were here was the strength of the £ as well as the availability of work. Immediately after Brexit the £ was devalued by @20% - so those continental workers effectively faced a pay cut. Then - and we can be real about this - Covid-19 hit. Understandably almost all those workers wanted to go home whilst they could - for a while none of us knew what we faced long term. Whilst they were away and their jobs were shut down anyway ( and lets face it they would have not got furlough ) Patel rammed through legislation that would prevent them returning unless they earned far more than was on offer and had savings/reserves they could not muster. So they did not return.

Meanwhile post Covid there was a need to recover the economy - places were opening up and needed people but we had set things up so foreigners could not return to do even skilled jobs like brick laying. Plenty of folk like me revised their future and prospects and retired early. This left over a million more vacancies than there were people to do the work. Obviously therefore the economy contracted. The Govt view was rather than try and get people back from the EU they want people like me to return to work. You are correct the work poorly paid so it ain't going to attract people like me to come back to work for less than my pension gives me anyway.

So as a direct result of Brexit we are short of bodies and ham stringing our economy basically to satisfy a few R/W folk who don't like the idea of people talking Romanian on the bus near them.

Convince yourself of what you like bit the world is more challenging than ever and the self imposition of restrictions on ourselves to satisfy the whims of some ill informed people most of whom now see it as a mistake as shown in opinion polls cannot be denied
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I'm not convincing myself about anything not sure where you that from. I was brought up in a town of approx 20 odd thousand people. We had 5 or 6 pubs. They now have none. 5 of those went well before brexit and the other was struggling before. The high St has long been in decline. I don't post much in here because of posts I have seen today. I have not said brexit isn't partly responsible for things. I have said over many years the economic effects are nowhere near the top of my list.

It's sad fuckers who have nowt better to do with their lives than blame Brexit for everything due to an unhealthy obsession with the subject.

Stop fretting folks you said it was too complicated for us mere mortals. The politicians have the expertise you said. It is now in their hands so good luck. I'm sure soon you will be served in the manner you had been accustomed to.
 
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