United (N) | FA Cup Final | Post-Match Thread

Talking with my sons yesterday morning we agreed that on paper City were by far the better team, that on the pitch we were by far the better team, that we had the better players and that none of theirs would get into our team and that over 38 games they had done well only to trail by 14 points. My only concern was that the cup final was a one off over 90 minutes and that moments can change games. My fear was a hit hard and hope harder shot, a careless mistake, an injury or one or more awful decisions by the ref which undid all our good football. Well, the ref certainly did his bit to stick to the redtop script and he was ably seconded by VAR. What they couldn't do though, was disturb City's play. Jack was clearly upset but the team soon re-established control and always looked the only winners. What a great day.
 
youngbob said:
Only just calming down. I don't think I'll be settled until next Sunday now.

I'd been dreading this for fucking weeks and, in all honesty, my mind was on another planet as soon as I woke up this morning. I was dawdling around Manchester doing some shopping, went and got brunch, walking about chatting with my lovely fiancée, trying to keep my mind off it. But my brain was not present at all. Thoughts were AWOL. I thought about buying some new shoes and went in four different shops in the Arndale but I couldn't settle on anything because my heart was going like a fidget spinner. I was begging for it to be 3pm just so we could get it out the way.

But then the game just made it worse. Fucking hell that was torture. I will admit, I fully lost it. The last time I lost my head like this during a game it was QPR in 2012. The idea of playing United in a cup final has been my worst nightmare for fucking years, but with a treble on the line... fucking hell. When Gundogan scored I celebrated but immediately thought "Shit, we've scored too early". And when United got that penalty I could only see it going one way. Goodness knows how the boys got back in front but thank god it's their job and not mine.

My heart was in my arse and mouth simultaneously. When United decided to play a bit of crossbar pinball I absolutely lost it. Nearly fell off the sofa shouting "No! No! No!" I'm normally way more relaxed about City conceding goals. It's never a nice feeling but it normally stings internally and I say something like "Well that's been coming". But honestly, I was so rattled by everything in this game that I was begging for it to finish. That last 10 mins, when United had Garnacho on Walker and then Akanji had to fill in, aged me by five years I'm sure.

No idea how to analyse the game. Couldn't even tell you if we played well. When the final whistle went I just sat there in stunned silence, head in my hands. I was honestly developing nervous tics during the game. I couldn't keep my hands off my head, just pulling at my hair. Biting my lips as well. I don't even hate United, but the idea of them being the team to stop the treble was all too fucking real and it got too bloody close for comfort. I'll be honest, I enjoyed about 2% of the game and it was the moments when Gundogan's goals hit the net.

My worst nightmare had a happy ending, though. And now onto next week. Sick bags at the ready.
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I feel your pain & fully understand why you tried to avoid all talk of the game until 3pm. I did EXACTLY the same! :-)

HOWEVER, I rushed in dead on 3pm & turned the telly on & it was already on BBC1 when I saw KDB going up for a header & Gundog hitting the volley!

I started to check if this was a replay from a previous match, or if I'd got the timing wrong & missed the first half!

Luckily I composed myself & realised Gundog had only gone & scored the fastest goal in FA Cup final history! :-)

As for the penalty, it was unfair as there's fuck all Jack could've done to get out of the way of the headed ball. This latest handball rule is far from ideal, but I prefer the certainty of it above the interpretation being left to referees.

This call went against us, so we call the decision wrong, with some going as far as it being a PGMOL CONspiracy against us. BUT if the incident happened at the other end & the ref waved it away, we'd all be fuckin livid claiming 'Rules is rules' if we're willing to be honest. \0/

All's well that ends well. We beat ManUre in a major cup final, which formed ⅔ of our Treble bid. Roll on Instabul... )(
 
Gray said:
was it checked?
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Don't be daft... They checked the Casimero tackle and gave them a free kick instead of a Red card...

VAR is a tool to keep the red teams relevent and keep the morons on side. It will never be fairly applied.

Its corruption in plain sight...

Its worth remembering when we feel like our lads weren't quite on it like yesterday. Our players know its corrupt but we still win. Tremendous fortitude to keep winning under this pressure from all side.
 
ShedDweller said:
Don't be daft... They checked the Casimero tackle and gave them a free kick instead of a Red card...

VAR is a tool to keep the red teams relevent and keep the morons on side. It will never be fairly applied.

Its corruption in plain sight...

Its worth remembering when we feel like our lads weren't quite on it like yesterday. Our players know its corrupt but we still win. Tremendous fortitude to keep winning under this pressure from all side.
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I could be wrong but due to the fact that the ref had already (wrongly) given the free kick to utd does this mean that VAR cant change his decision? The VAR/Ref power dynamic shifts with the area/incident that is being looked at....

Casemiro should have gone for that foul - it was a clear red BUT can VAR get involved in that as the ref had already made the decision?
 
Dribble said:
As for the penalty, it was unfair as there's fuck all Jack could've done to get out of the way of the headed ball. This latest handball rule is far from ideal, but I prefer the certainty of it above the interpretation being left to referees.

This call went against us, so we call the decision wrong, with some going as far as it being a PGMOL CONspiracy against us. BUT if the incident happened at the other end & the ref waved it away, we'd all be fuckin livid claiming 'Rules is rules' if we're willing to be honest. \0/
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The problem is of course that that decision would never be given in our favour.
Just look back this season, The Rags got a helping hand at Old Toilet and the same yesterday.

Here's an example thats been sort of lost in all the other stuff but would have settled it and avoided the stress at the end... The clear penalty against them when Kev was clearly fouled by Fred... absolutely clear as day. Even the commentators said the same. Big review by VAR? Nope, not a chance. No replay for the viewers but a cusrory look by VAR and its nope... nothing to see here...

Its bent, there's no question about it.
 
simon23 said:
I could be wrong but due to the fact that the ref had already (wrongly) given the free kick to utd does this mean that VAR cant change his decision? The VAR/Ref power dynamic shifts with the area/incident that is being looked at....

Casemiro should have gone for that foul - it was a clear red BUT can VAR get involved in that as the ref had already made the decision?
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We've seen these things rolled back planty of times.

I understand the whole VAR thing is about clear and obvious errors. When VAR looked at the Casimero decision it was clearly an error by the referee to give the free kick against Akanji. Its pretty much exactly the type of thing VAR was brought in for.
 
simon23 said:
I could be wrong but due to the fact that the ref had already (wrongly) given the free kick to utd does this mean that VAR cant change his decision? The VAR/Ref power dynamic shifts with the area/incident that is being looked at....

Casemiro should have gone for that foul - it was a clear red BUT can VAR get involved in that as the ref had already made the decision?
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I think in the instance of foul and dangerous play var can and should intervene, tells ref to look at it and that surely would (and should) have led to a red card and, presumably, a reversal of the free kick to us, but no var if they don't think it's red. But because var was so bent they decided nothing to see, as also with the kdb stonewall pen (but probably not with the handball as those are the rules they apply), then they just played on.
 
Amongst all this angst and stuff from the media (urgh) about City not being ‘at their best’ did any of them ever say/think but of course they didn’t need to be because the opposition *rofl* if you could call it that were such rubbish? We up our game when we have something/someone to play against!
Eeee, we don’t half show ‘em all how to play football.

THE BEST TEAM IN THE LAND AND ALL THE WORLD! Forever and always.
 
simon23 said:
I could be wrong but due to the fact that the ref had already (wrongly) given the free kick to utd does this mean that VAR cant change his decision? The VAR/Ref power dynamic shifts with the area/incident that is being looked at....

Casemiro should have gone for that foul - it was a clear red BUT can VAR get involved in that as the ref had already made the decision?
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That's my understanding. VAR could only say if not giving a red card was a mistake by the ref. If the ref made other mistakes including giving the foul the wrong way or not giving a yellow they couldn't comment.

BTW I didn't think it was a red.
 
jrb said:
Let Howard Webb explain yesterday's decisions away. ****!
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Can you ever remember us having a dodgy decision against them? We've had plenty of decisions go our way as any club does, but I can't remember a single example of us ever getting a dodgy decision. They've just had two absolutely blatant ones in one season (three, if you include the Casemiro potential red).
 
kashmir said:
Well they did it still on cloud 9
one thing and I know you’ll think I’m mad but the rat faced cant from Utd actually went up in my mind yesterday,he was the only one who even after losing a cup final had the decency to go to the city players and congratulate them on their success that took bottle after his teams performance
that said I think now he still a sniedycant
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I'm in the Bernardo camp. If I was fortunate to be a pro baller playing for City & we'd just lost that match, fuck if I'm shaking any fuckers hand, unless they offered me theirs.

I remember Stuart Pearce saying he used to run down the tunnel after a defeat, because he couldn't bear shaking hands with victorious opponents after a defeat. I'm pretty sure Roy Keane said summat similar once too...
 
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